[game_edu] game_edu Digest, Vol 87, Issue 10
Ian Schreiber
ai864 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 21 13:51:58 EST 2011
1. Having to shake the whole "those who can, do; those who can't, teach" reputation.
2. Teaching takes time away from those game projects you're working on.
3. Just like game devs have to deal with "oh, must be fun playing games all day" we have to deal with "must be great to have such a cushy high-paying job with such an easy schedule, what with only 10 hours of lecture per week and all"
4. You get to have your choice: (A) feel ethically guilty over sending these bright-eyed, hopeful, unsuspecting kids out into the sausage factory that is the game industry; or (B) actually tell the kids honestly what they're getting into, and see their dreams crushed before your very eyes by your very own actions.
5. The frustration of working in an interdisciplinary field at a school where every discipline is siloed.
6. No matter how great a teacher you are, no matter how much your students learn... the new kids next year are just as clueless, and you have to start all over again.
7. Most of the students that you inspired, groomed and helped to achieve the job of their dreams, forget about you five minutes after they leave campus.
8. You thought it was bad as a game dev with your friends and family not understanding what you do? Try a job where your boss and boss's boss don't understand what you do.
9. As crappy as the pay scale is in game development, it's even worse in teaching. And the barrier to entry is higher since you need that graduate degree that the game industry doesn't care about.
10. At least in game dev, you work with people who are generally passionate about what they do, and you're all working together as a team. With teaching, your students see you as an adversary and obstacle in the way of their goal, and their objective is to push past you while expending the minimum effort necessary.
Sure, these are generalizations (just as the "7 reasons" article doesn't apply to every person or every company), but hopefully that'll get you started :)
- Ian
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From: Dr. Mike Reddy <doctormikereddy at gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [game_edu] game_edu Digest, Vol 87, Issue 10
I'm doing a # reasons for NOT teaching game dev? Any suggestions?
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> 1. Re: The Dorklyst: 7 Reasons You Don't Want To Work in the
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> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:21:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ian Schreiber <ai864 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [game_edu] The Dorklyst: 7 Reasons You Don't Want To Work
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> I've been sharing this with students for years, but it's nice to have an article to point to :-)
>
> They left out an eighth reason: supply/demand forces push down salaries, so your pay will be significantly less than if you did comparable work outside the industry.
>
> The only one not really in my experience is #3. (Also, #1 is a bit of a misstatement: you will get "laid off" more than "fired" since firing implies termination with cause.)
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> - Ian
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> http://www.dorkly.com/article/27379/the-dorklyst-7-reasons-you-dont-want-to-work-in-the-video-game-industry
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> Something to share with students?
>
> I have lived #4 (go QA!) so many times it's not even funny.
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> Sheri
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> From: Simon Etienne Rozner <infonaut at gameonaut.com>
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> Indeed, ahh the wonderul love/hate relationship of our world...good as a link for my students (maybe now they will believe me)
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> On Nov 20, 2011, at 23:21, Ian Schreiber <ai864 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I've been sharing this with students for years, but it's nice to have an article to point to :-)
>>
>> They left out an eighth reason: supply/demand forces push down salaries, so your pay will be significantly less than if you did comparable work outside the industry.
>>
>> The only one not really in my experience is #3. (Also, #1 is a bit of a misstatement: you will get "laid off" more than "fired" since firing implies termination with cause.)
>>
>> - Ian
>>
>> From: Sheri Rubin <sheri at designdirectdeliver.com>
>> To: game_edu at igda.org
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 PM
>> Subject: [game_edu] The Dorklyst: 7 Reasons You Don't Want To Work in the Video Game Industry
>>
>> http://www.dorkly.com/article/27379/the-dorklyst-7-reasons-you-dont-want-to-work-in-the-video-game-industry
>>
>> Something to share with students?
>>
>> I have lived #4 (go QA!) so many times it's not even funny.
>>
>> Sheri
>>
>> --
>> Sheri Rubin
>> Founder and CEO
>>
>> Design Direct Deliver
>> Website: http://www.designdirectdeliver.com
>> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
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> Yeah, that sounds familiar. I have seen most of them. Number 5 is
> the only one I have not seen, surprisingly.
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> #7 - I worked on a game for pre-teen girls. It actually turned out to
> be more fun than you would have thought...
> #2 - Nobody ever believes you on this one. I have had weeks where the
> only thing I have had time for after work was a shower before bed...
> #1 - Oh yes. Redundancies, 'voluntary' pay-cuts, offering to pay you in
> shares...
>
> On 20/11/2011 18:03, Simon Etienne Rozner wrote:
>> Indeed, ahh the wonderul love/hate relationship of our world...good as
>> a link for my students (maybe now they will believe me)
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2011, at 23:21, Ian Schreiber <ai864 at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:ai864 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been sharing this with students for years, but it's nice to have
>>> an article to point to :-)
>>>
>>> They left out an eighth reason: supply/demand forces push down
>>> salaries, so your pay will be significantly less than if you did
>>> comparable work outside the industry.
>>>
>>> The only one not really in my experience is #3. (Also, #1 is a bit of
>>> a misstatement: you will get "laid off" more than "fired" since
>>> firing implies termination with cause.)
>>>
>>> - Ian
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Sheri Rubin <sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
>>> <mailto:sheri at designdirectdeliver.com>>
>>> *To:* game_edu at igda.org <mailto:game_edu at igda.org>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 PM
>>> *Subject:* [game_edu] The Dorklyst: 7 Reasons You Don't Want To Work
>>> in the Video Game Industry
>>>
>>> http://www.dorkly.com/article/27379/the-dorklyst-7-reasons-you-dont-want-to-work-in-the-video-game-industry
>>>
>>> Something to share with students?
>>>
>>> I have lived #4 (go QA!) so many times it's not even funny.
>>>
>>> Sheri
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Sheri Rubin*
>>> Founder and CEO
>>>
>>> *Design Direct Deliver*
>>> Website: http://www.designdirectdeliver.com
>>> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
>>> <mailto:sheri at designdirectdeliver.com>
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