[games_access] Final Flier Info
d. michelle hinn
hinn at uiuc.edu
Sun Oct 14 16:58:38 EDT 2007
Price: I'm bringing the fliers to the cheapest place in town to print
them -- and, yeah, that's for the cheapest paper. I wish you could
print them!!!! $50 is a lot more attractive than $150! I WILL get
this reimbursed by the IGDA -- that they told me for sure.
Percentage: I think that we should go with 10-20% of people (don't
put "in a country" because that's a bit awkward and I think we can
safely say 10-20% without saying "in the world" or naming a country).
I wish I hadn't said anything in the first place -- I was more
worried about the "in a country" phrasing than the number.
Yes...this is not a stats paper -- it's a flier and it should be
catchy and attractive. I was trying to come up with the shortest
phrasing I could (based on US census...blah, blah, blah) but in the
end? If people are going to ask us where we got that number and I can
verbally cite a lot of stat sources if they really want to hear about
it. That's why I was trying to put a stop to this with the 11pm New
York Time but since we get you for a couple more hours, a couple more
hours it is!
Michelle
>Hi,
>
>Back in town ;) Can help edit the flyer for 2 or 3 more hours more,
>then I need to go to bed and get up early tomorrow. In any case,
>I'll make the Photoshop file available so others can edit the flyer,
>no problem.
>
>K... quick response to all previous emails:
>
>I personally think the flyer should be fun and attractive for the
>E4All crowd, and prefer a catchy phrase over boring statistics. That
>said, I also believe we should not be spreading statistics that are
>false. I think that right now people are giving too much thought
>about the actual statistics and we shouldn't do that. "Between 10%
>and 20%" is a pretty big range and I guess we can get away with that
>at something like E4All. However, I think it is THE MESSAGE we
>should be thinking about. And the message (without the numbers) is
>this:
>
>"Did You Know There Are Loads Of People Out There Who Can't Play
>Games Due To A Disability?"
>
>So...
>
>We got a couple of hours for an alternative. I personally think we
>can keep the 10%/20%-line and get away with it. Even if there's a
>person in the E4All crowd who's hobby it is to carry statistics with
>him around on the floor. I'd actually be happy, so that person can
>then tell US what the correct numbers are. I like this sentence
>better that something like I wrote above ("Did You Know There Are
>Loads...etc."). That's my vote.
>
>Because it is my personal experience that printwork in real life can
>only be designed by 2 or 3 people max (to make the decisions), I'd
>like us to make a decision between NOW and three hours. So if you
>want something else on the flyer, post your alternative now. If you
>don't have an alternative but only fuel for discussion, please don't
>post. I do value your opinions, but we have to get a flyer out in a
>couple of hours. Please, with all respect, use another discussion
>for that. Out of all the alternatives posted, I propose we decide -
>simply by posting your vote for your fave alternative. And if we
>can't then just one person will make that (simple) decision.
>
>Michelle: are you printing or copying the flyers? And using any
>special kind of paper? Because 3000 B/W copy on regular paper is (if
>I remember correctly from my days at the copy shop) a lot less than
>$150... more like $50... at least here in Holland?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:38 PM
>Subject: [games_access] Final Flier Info
>
>>Sorry to keep adding to the email clutter -- if anyone would like
>>to have their subscription options switched to digest mode, please
>>let me know off list (hinn at uiuc.edu) -- but this is crunch time and
>>in less than two days I'm leaving for E for All and will be in
>>extreme amount of pain (bad timing for E for All but that's life)
>>so I hope everyone will forgive me for sending 90 messages a day
>>but I know what I'm physically up against and the clock is ticking.
>>
>>I need to get the flier to the printer no later than 11pm (NYC
>>time) tonight -- that's in under 10 hours. I'm going to take
>>whatever we have right now and edit it (if I can - hopefully
>>Richard can help but I have the feeling he's out of town at the
>>moment). I'm going with the US census percentage even though that
>>number is problematic because we need to have something there and
>>at least we can say "according to the US census" and not according
>>to my neighbor or whatever. We can always explain the problems with
>>that if/when asked by the press. This isn't a paper -- this is a
>>flier and as long as we can say where we got that number, there
>>really isn't a problem. I wish we had better world stats but we
>>don't. So this will be US-centric.
>>
>>I'll be printing out a total of 3000 (6000 when the flier is cut in
>>half), which will add at least another $150 to our (my) already
>>growing expenses. This is the MINIMUM number that the E for All
>>folks have suggested.
>>
>>So last call for suggestions -- we just don't have the time
>>anymore. We can create the perfect flier for GDC...for right now,
>>it's just too late.
>>
>>Michelle
>>
>>>What percentage would that be? It would seem weird to just have
>>>X%...I think I'm misreading this though. :)
>>>
>>>I don't think we're making up numbers -- we are choosing a certain
>>>number to go with for this flier -- I'm sure that as hard as we
>>>worked, we would not be able to do the job that the census has
>>>done. I read last night that the UN has 650 million worldwide as a
>>>number in their disability numbers.
>>>
>>>So there's a lot of political choices we can make in what number
>>>we use -- none are making up numbers...they are just using
>>>different qualifiers to define disability.
>>>
>>>Michelle
>>>
>>>>small suggestions:
>>>>
>>>>We can always say X % has a disability. (this is a hard fact--> ).
>>>>
>>>>and then.... a significant amount of those have problems playing
>>>>games without naming a statistic. Then we still have the large number
>>>>to draw attention and we don't make up numbers.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers eelke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 10/13/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, at the end of the day (maybe even this one?) we just need to
>>>>> print the flier and say "according to the US Census, about 20%...."
>>>>>
>>>>> If people grill us on the number we can point them to the US census
>>>>> and other groups and/or have long midnight chats over coffee
>>>>> discussing the statistic and what it does and does not represent.
>>>>> While the numbers are important to get...we aren't the SIG for
>>>>> disability statistics. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep
>>>>> thinking about the numbers, as companies will want to know (and
>>>>> always grill us on them). But we just need to run this flier to the
>>>>> printer now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michelle
>>>>>
>>>>> >Guys come on... this is not a legal document and it is not a
>>>>> >contract vehicle that is going to be executed at the end of the day.
>>>>> >This is a flier, not a scientific paper being proofed for next
>>>>> >months Journal Nature. Add the word ABOUT or ROUGHLY and move on. It
>>>>> >is a great opening statement and a simple qualifier will make this
>>>>> >fine. We have 18.6% to 23% so say "about 20%" and move forward.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I know I am new to the group, and I keep quiet, but I have seen less
>>>>> >discussion on buying a new house.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mark
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Eitan Glinert wrote:
>>>>> >>Be careful with that statistic, it's a bit tricky (though I've used
>>>>> >>it myself.) According to the 2000 US census, some 18.6% of 16-64
>>>>> >>year old US citizens have a disability. But that number can be
>>>>> >>misleading for several reasons:
>>>>> >>1. The age ranges are bizarre. They go from 0-4, 5-15, 16-64,
>>>>>and 65 and up.
>>>>> >>2. Disabilities tend to be very heavily congregated towards the
>>>>> >>higher age range. In the 16-64 group, for instance, the majority of
>>>>> >>that 18.6% lies in the top third of the age range.
>>>>> >>3. Disability is nebulously defined. Does missing a leg mean that
>>>>> >>you can't play games (save DDR?) How about a severe, but
>>>>> >>non-incapacitating illness? ADHD?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Moral is: Be careful with that number.
>>>>> >>Eitan
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>At 05:39 PM 10/13/2007, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>> >>>According to the latest US census (I called a friend who has a
>>>>> >>>friend that works for the census AND it's on their website), 49
>>>>> >>>million people have a disability in the United States. That's
>>>>> >>>19.4%. So I think we can safely say "nearly 20% of the United
>>>>> >>>States population has a disability, according to the latest census
>>>>> >>>data" (better wording can probably be found but that's a stab at
>>>>> >>>it). This is from the official US census government website. So we
>>>>> >>>should go with just the US in the flier because we can say that
>>>>> >>>with more certainty plus the expo is in the US and probably
>>>>> >>>covered more by US media...at least for this first year of its
>>>>> >>>existence.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>Richard -- I hope you have a little bit of extra time to tweak the
>>>>> >>>flier. You have been VERY generous with your time and creativity
>>>>> >>>to help with this!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>Michelle
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>Yes, you are right -- it definitely changes things, which I meant
>>>>> >>>>to add and didn't so thanks for raising this issue. I just wasn't
>>>> > >>>>sure what was meant by "a country" and would prefer if we could
>>>>> >>>>say "the world" but I don't know the percentages and certainly we
>>>>> >>>>need to adjust the numbers depending on the wording. I'm not sure
>>>>> >>>>we should say the 10-20% until we get more confident in our
>>>>> >>>>numbers per country. We are still kind of making a guess when it
>>>>> >>>>comes to just the United States.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>With that in mind...what should we have as our opening statement
>>>>> >>>>on our flier? We don't have a long time to decide -- I need to
>>>>> >>>>get it to the printer as soon as possible so we need to make sure
>>>>> >>>>we say only what we are comfortable saying. So we need some
>>>>> >>>>brainstorming help ASAP!!!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>Michelle
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>>Maybe I completely suck at math but doesn't changing "country" to
>>>>> >>>>>world COMPLETELY change the facts? If we can't do that no
>>>>>one is going
>>>>> >>>>>to give us any respect.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>I don't even know if 10 - 20% of a given country is the truth, I'm
>>>>> >>>>>sure Richard did the research.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>On 10/12/07, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>> I can't open these at all:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer4onpage.jpg
>>>>> >>>>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> How big are they? Can you try to send as attachments if the
>>>>> >>>>>>total is under 50 mg?
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> One thing to change:
>>>>> >>>>> > http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
>>>>> >>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> "in a country" -- maybe "between 10 and 20% (on average) of
>>>>> >>>>>>the world population..." instead? That or "in each country."
>>>>> >>>>>>but i prefer the world wording
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> ---- Original message ----
>>>>> >>>>>> >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:49:36 +0200
>>>>> >>>>>> >From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>>>>> >>>>>> >Subject: [games_access] E For All Flyer Update
>>>>> >>>>>> >To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>>><games_access at igda.org>
>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> >Hee,
>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> >Due to calculation error of my part, I had to rescale the
>>>>> >>>>>>flyer a little
>>>>> >>>>>> >bit. See latest versions here:
>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> >http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg (2 on
>>>>>page)
>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> >Michelle: 4 on page I can do, but text will become small...
>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> >Greets,
>>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>> >Richard
>>>>> >>>>>> >
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