[games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
D. Michelle Hinn
hinn at uiuc.edu
Thu Dec 10 17:59:59 EST 2009
No worries!! Everyone is always welcome to jump in -- we're "guests"
to their competition so we don't want to make things any more
difficult than it needs to be! :)
Michelle
On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
> Thanks to all...
>
> Your explanations actually clear up this conversation for me and is
> much appreciated. I will do my research before I jump in again :).
> I can (almost) hear the conversations about "It says One-Switch but
> the "A" button is, by definition, a button..." ...which I can only
> imagine setting off any number of e-mail threads (not to mention
> meetings) as a result. I just wanted to drop in a thanks for
> helping me to understand the issue better.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about
> the Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
>
> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable
> word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have
> gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be
> used as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about
> starting another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)
>
> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another
> button to do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for
> them...sometimes opening up even the simplest of contests as we did
> about 4 years ago can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you
> feel like "what did I get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting
> something like this!!! :)
>
> Michelle
>
>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty
>> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really
>> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the
>> field of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to
>> me. One-button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too.
>> I don't think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program
>> a computer.
>>
>> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the forum
>> is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on an
>> Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's
>> on or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>>
>> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>>
>> Barrie
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>>>
>>> E.g.
>>> Switch only on/off
>>> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>>>
>>> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
>>> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
>>> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in
>>> circle.
>>> Sorry I do not know the name.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
>>>> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
>>>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>>>
>>>> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will
>>>> change the
>>>> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the
>>>> case. And
>>>> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need
>>>> to put
>>>> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
>>>> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
>>>> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
>>>> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there
>>>> are
>>>> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a
>>>> switch
>>>> is [see next paragraph].
>>>>
>>>> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that
>>>> using
>>>> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button
>>>> versus the
>>>> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
>>>> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
>>>> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
>>>> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
>>>> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>>>>
>>>> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are
>>>> not going
>>>> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie,
>>>> being our
>>>> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
>>>> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge
>>>> can be!
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/
>>>> or those
>>>> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess.
>>>> Switch, to
>>>> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
>>>> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, I am going to jump in here...
>>>>
>>>> Would using "one button or switch" or "one button/switch " clear
>>>> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device
>>>> they are
>>>> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording? I realize that
>>>> I may
>>>> be over simplifying (or, - without intent - making things even
>>>> more
>>>> complicated) with this response. I just think that if we
>>>> include both
>>>> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one
>>>> word or
>>>> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
>>>> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in
>>>> doing
>>>> so, it might be worth that effort.
>>>>
>>>> Just my random thought,
>>>>
>>>> Nissa
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>>>>
>>>> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
>>>> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing
>>>> language to
>>>> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely
>>>> don't
>>>> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we
>>>> can't use
>>>> the experience to let others know how to find out about the
>>>> history and
>>>> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button"
>>>> is the
>>>> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
>>>> language.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts. :)
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>>>> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch
>>>> game ?
>>>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
>>>> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
>>>> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types
>>>> than
>>>> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
>>>> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard
>>>> term that
>>>> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I
>>>> like
>>>> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch
>>>> game ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>>> the
>>>> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
>>>> /Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is there a difference between "one
>>>> button" and "one switch" game?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Sandra
>>>>
>>>>
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