[games_access] Terminology
Sandra Uhling
sandra_uhling at web.de
Sat Dec 4 09:59:35 EST 2010
Hi Lynsey,
yes. First it is the language, region, association, situation and personal
opinion.
So the best is to ask for every language what is the best.
"Someone is disabled." As English as second language I get only the
information behind it. But not the social association.
In German "someone is disabled". (jemand ist behindert) is very very very
bad.
But this is because of the social association related to it. It can mean
"someone is a burden so society", "someone is stupid", and sometimes
"someone should not live", "he/she is not worth living".
But you can use the term. It depends on the situation. How do you say it.
To whom are you saying it... . In information view this means only that
someone
has a disability and that is a fact, nothing else.
We often use the slang "you are not disabled, you are being disabled".
(I do not know if I translated the second part right".)
Best regards,
Sandra
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Auftrag von Lynsey Graham
Gesendet: Samstag, 4. Dezember 2010 15:03
An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List; 'BlazeEagle'
Betreff: Re: [games_access] Terminology
I think one of the things that makes it more awkward is that the way words
are percieved varies so much from region to region, even in the same
language - never mind when you start translating to many languages. For
example, while still unpleasant, 'spastic' and 'spazz' doesn't seem to be
regarded as offensive in the US as it is in the UK - I've heard it used in a
lot of US shows, including children's shows (hello Bratz). I know Nintendo
managed to get two games pulled from the shelves in the UK that featured the
word (including Mario Party 8), and Hasbro recently launched a Transformer
called Spastic (which won't be released in the UK). Obviously that's a
slightly more exteme example, but we really don't want to unintentionally
offend anyone.
It's quite a challenge when you're working on a product that will be
released across many regions!
________________________________
From: Steve Spohn [mailto:steve at ablegamers.com]
To: 'BlazeEagle' [mailto:blazeeagle at suddenlink.net], 'IGDA Games
Accessibility SIG Mailing List' [mailto:games_access at igda.org]
Sent: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 00:43:09 +0000
Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology
Exactly, Aaron. According to those who have scolded AG it should be
"X
challenged" "persons with disabilities" and "persons with
limitations" - I
say Disabled gamer a lot as it's what I am. Barrie is correct in the
"people first" is awkward and attaches negativity. Everyone has a
sensitivity to certain words but most of the disabled individuals
I've met
despise "cripple" and some hate "gimp."
I've never had someone object to disabled and only a few on
handicapped.
Steve Spohn
Associate Editor
The AbleGamers Foundation
www.ablegamers.com
www.ablegamers.org
Find me on Skype! Username: Steve_Spohn
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Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology
I personally don't find it that offensive but each person has their
own
preference. For physical disability, is "physically challenged" more
"P.C."?
For visual disabilities, How about "visually challenged" for visual
disabilities?
It really just boils down to semantics & how sensitive one is.
Aaron
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> Hello all,
>
> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a
> project, and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to
> 'handicapped people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people
find
> this term offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to
decide
> whether to cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on
the team
> have never heard that it's offensive).
>
> Any feedback would be much appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lynsey
>
> Lynsey Graham
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> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology
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> Hi Lynsey,
>
> I think this video will help you.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded
>
> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability
the
> referred people have?
>
> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short
PwDs.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> Im
> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham
> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25
> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I?ve just moved onto a
> project,
> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to
?handicapped
> people?. From what I?ve gathered, quite a few people find this
term
> offensive ? is this generally the case? We?re trying to decide
whether to
> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team
have never
> heard that it?s offensive).
>
>
>
> Any feedback would be much appreciated!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Lynsey
>
>
>
> Lynsey Graham
>
> Designer | Blitz Games
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>
>
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> From: "Lynsey Graham" <lgraham at blitzgamesstudios.com>
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> The line in question is:
>
> "Dogs are kept as pets but many also work for a living. They help
out in
> all sorts of ways from pulling sleds, herding, helping the
handicapped,
> guarding and hunting"
>
> It just strikes me as possibly being a bit awkwardly worded with
the
> potential to offend. Strangely, the German translation seems to
just
> refer to "f?hren Blinde", which I'm assuming is just referring to
> blindness?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
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> On Behalf Of Sandra Uhling
> Sent: 03 December 2010 16:44
> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology
>
> Hi Lynsey,
>
> I think this video will help you.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded
>
> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability
the
> referred people have?
>
> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short
PwDs.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> Im
> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham
> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25
> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology
>
> Hello all,
>
>
> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a
> project,
> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to
'handicapped
> people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find this
term
> offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide
whether to
> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team
have never
> heard that it's offensive).
>
>
>
> Any feedback would be much appreciated!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Lynsey
>
>
>
> Lynsey Graham
>
> Designer | Blitz Games
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Barrie Ellis" <oneswitch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology
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> I much prefer the term Disabled Person/People, in the context that
a
> person
> is disabled by something in their environment that poses a barrier
to
> them.
> If a person can't get into a shop because they need to use a
wheelchair,
> then you might consider them a disabled person. If there's a ramp
in
> place,
> that they can use, then they are no longer disabled in that
particular
> context. The same with video games.
>
> Saying "Person with disability", attaches the disability to them,
and
> always
> feels like a more medical way of describing someone to me. You'll
hear
> people use the "people first" argument, but I prefer to describe
people as
> people first. Then if there's something disabling them from doing
what
> they
> need/want to do, I would describe the person as a disabled person.
>
> Barrie
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:44 PM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
<games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology
>
>> Hi Lynsey,
>>
>> I think this video will help you.
>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded
>>
>> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability
the
>> referred people have?
>>
>> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities,
short PwDs.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>> Im
>> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25
>> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
>> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a
>> project,
>> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to
'handicapped
>> people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find this
term
>> offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide
whether
>> to
>> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team
have
>> never
>> heard that it's offensive).
>>
>>
>>
>> Any feedback would be much appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Lynsey
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynsey Graham
>>
>> Designer | Blitz Games
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> --
>>
>> IMPORTANT INFORMATION
>>
>> Information and any attached documentation from Blitz Games
Studios
>> Limited
>> (including its divisions: Blitz Games, Volatile Games, Blitz
Arcade,
>> TruSim
>> & BlitzTech) is intended for the use of the addressee only and
may
>> contain
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>> us
>> immediately.
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>> Limited any form of distribution, copying or use of this email or
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>> information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
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>> Attachments to this email may accidentally contain software
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>> are
>> advised to take all reasonable precautions to minimise this risk
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>> carry out a virus check on any attachments before they are
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>> Any formal offer contained in this email is subject to the
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>> &
>> conditions of Blitz Games Studios Limited and must be signed by
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>> parties. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the
author
>> and
>> do not necessarily represent those of Blitz Games Studios
Limited.
>>
>> Blitz Games Studios Limited is registered in England (company no:
>> 2482913).
>> Its registered address is Regent Square House, The Parade,
Leamington
>> Spa,
>> Warwickshire, CV32 4NL, UK
>>
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