[sbe-eas] NWS forgetting the lessons of Hurricane Harvey (Houston 2017)

Thu Oct 10 11:49:31 EDT 2024

John is correct, and I was not as quick on this as I meant to be.

Chriss

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From: sbe-eas <sbe-eas-bounces at sbe.org> On Behalf Of modulationlimited at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [sbe-eas] NWS forgetting the lessons of Hurricane Harvey (Houston 2017)

Given that this is supposed to be a professional reflector dealing with a professional subject area would it be possible to leave the personal politics out of it?  From any direction.   There are plenty of other places for that.

John Collinson

From: sbe-eas <sbe-eas-bounces at sbe.org> On Behalf Of Aaron Read
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True, but I highly doubt he's going to just quietly retire.  And it's besides the point: if it's not DeSantis looking to score cheap political points? There's at least 50 other pols out there on the national stage, deservely or not, who will do so. 

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On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 8:39 PM Hal Kneller <hkneller at earthlink.net <mailto:hkneller at earthlink.net> > wrote:

DeSantis is term limited out after this term.

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From: sbe-eas <sbe-eas-bounces at sbe.org <mailto:sbe-eas-bounces at sbe.org> > on behalf of Aaron Read <readaaron at friedbagels.com <mailto:readaaron at friedbagels.com> >
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Subject: Re: [sbe-eas] NWS forgetting the lessons of Hurricane Harvey (Houston 2017)

One thing you always count on from a govt agency is that they will NEVER EVER admit that they sent "too many" warnings. 

Sending too many warnings, and causing people to disable the alerts, will not result in the agency getting in trouble (or not much trouble) regardless of how few or how many fatalities there end up being. 

Sending too few warnings, however, all but guarantees the agency WILL get blamed for each and every death that occurs, no matter how tangential to the disaster the alert is about. 

Especially now when I'm positive Florida's governor will find some way to blame NOAA and/or FEMA just so he can score political points for his own reelection. 

This "cover your ass" mentality is hardly unique to government agencies...but I concede few seem to do it better.  It's a shame almost nobody with power  in DC cares to actually understand why that is and to try to fix it. 

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On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 7:01 PM Sean Donelan <sean at donelan.com <mailto:sean at donelan.com> > wrote:

NWS is now up to 133 tornado warnings in a hurricane.  Milton hasn't even 
made landfall yet.

The graphic from NWS shows a lot of overlapping warning areas as the outer 
rainbands around Hurricane Milton spin through the atmosphere.

https://x.com/NWSGSP/status/1844129342974009810

Figuring out how to coordinate warning messages is still a challenge to 
prevent incessent public alerting.

Hurricanes have flash flooding, coastal flooding, regular flooding, 
tornados, lightning and thunderstorms, high winds, storm surges. NWS 
standard templates used to give conflicting public action statements 
during the same weather event with overlapping alerts.

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