[SBE] Certification

[Edwin Bukont]

You are talking apples and oranges.
 
The licenscing you taught was for operators.  It was somewhat ridiculous.  It is ironically what GMs and such still expect.
 
The licenscing being discussed and enforced is for a trade.  It makes quite a bit of sense.  
 
There is a lot being done wrong at low voltage that leads to improper, unsafe and to some degree even unethical installation of facilities.  Heck, I see 'experienced' broadcast techs do improper Cat 5 and fiber all the time.  Those pretty runs are often the runs that do not work.
 
This low voltage stuff came about largely because of the massive ripoffs that went on with prewired homes and data centers during the building boom.  I experienced it myself when the builder of my house tried to tell me that the Cat-5 used for telephones is different than the Cat-5 used for computers, and thus the computer wiring costs more!!  Get one of those prewired mobile office trailers, and you will find half the outlets test ok for continuity, but dont pass data.  It is interesting to note how many homes are priced at Cat-3 for phones, but wired with Cat-5 because it is easier to give the installer one sort of wire rather than two types, risking a mistake.
Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT Comm-Struction and Services LLC P.O. Box 629;  Bel Air, MD 21014 USA V- 410.879.5567 F- 240.368.1265 C- 240.417.2475 ebukont at msn.com Member: IEEE, SBE, AES, PMI Digital Media and Power Systems Integrators. A Harris Broadcast Channel Partner > From: billharris at ix.netcom.com> To: sbe at sbe.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:42:27 -0600> Subject: Re: [SBE] Certification> > Darned if I know, Albert. I used to> teach licensing back in the 70s at a > broadcast school. All those folks just> wanted to talk on the radio, but they had> to have first phones to read the meters> because most of the entry level jobs were> the night shifts when the AM stations went> directional! I thought it was ridiculous> that they went through all that, but it was> the law.> > Bill> > > -----Original Message-----> From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org]On Behalf Of> Albert Muick> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:31 PM> To: 'sbe member discussion mail list'> Subject: Re: [SBE] Certification> > > Fair enough, Bill, but then why the extreme level of electronics knowledge> needed for the First Phone and the amount still needed for the GROL? An> "operator" really would not have need of this level of math .... he or she> would need only to know enough to do their jobs.> > I think the FCC could approach it from the standpoint of it being an> impediment to the proper "operation" of the station....> > Al Muick, CBRE> > -----Original Message-----> From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Bill> Harris> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:27 PM> To: sbe member discussion mail list> Subject: Re: [SBE] Certification> > From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org]On Behalf Of> Albert Muick> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 5:17 PM> To: sbe at sbe.org> Subject: [SBE] Certification> > > > Having said that, I wonder why the FCC won't get involved in this? They> started the downward slide when they de-regulated everything, and now it> seems like everyone and their brother intends to try to exert their> authority over the broadcast industry.> > Because, if I recall correctly, the FCC never licensed "engineers",> only 'operators'.> > Bill in ABQ> > > > _______________________________________________> SBE mailing list> To unsubscribe, go to http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/options/sbe> _______________________________________________> SBE at sbe.org> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe> > _______________________________________________> SBE mailing list> To unsubscribe, go to http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/options/sbe> _______________________________________________> SBE at sbe.org> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe> > > _______________________________________________> SBE mailing list> To unsubscribe, go to http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/options/sbe> _______________________________________________> SBE at sbe.org> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe