[SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed

[Edwin Bukont]

McDonalds here pays $12/hr with reasonable benefits.  They provide all the tools and training, plus discount food.Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT Comm-Struction and Services LLC V- 410.879.5567 F- 410.272.5750 C- 240.417.2475 ebukont at msn.com A Harris Broadcast Channel Partner > From: rolin.lintag at vtntv.com> To: sbe at sbe.org> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:53:44 -0500> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> > Minimum wages is above $6 as per this link:> > http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm> > Our technical work should not even be compared to any minimum paying job.> > This reminds me of a Maintenance engineer position I was offered in Palm Springs, CA. When the DoE said 40K per annum, I told him, "Don't you think that is a bit too low? In California?" Then the DoE said that he'll have to talk to the Corporate office regarding that. He never came back and I am no longer interested.> > It looks to me that if engineer-managers will not update their thinking on how much technical work should cost, then our rates will always be just that - low. There is no point whining for the lack of new blood coming into this industry if those who should raise the pay think that our work can be compared to a job in McDonalds.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of sbe-request at sbe.org> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:29 AM> To: sbe at sbe.org> Subject: SBE Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2> > Send SBE mailing list submissions to> sbe at sbe.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> sbe-request at sbe.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> sbe-owner at sbe.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SBE digest..."> > > SBE Roundtable> > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Henry M. Seiden)> 2. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Cowboy)> 3. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Cowboy)> 4. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Tony Mancari)> 5. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Edwin Bukont)> 6. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (A9xw at cs.com)> 7. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Edwin Bukont)> 8. Re: HD plant construction engineer needed (Albert Muick)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:51:36 -0400> From: "Henry M. Seiden" <info at techworkspro.com>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: sbe member discussion mail list <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID: <48DC2D14-5E9A-424C-A965-56618DE530B3 at techworkspro.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed";> DelSp="yes"> > When I started in TV, some 30 years ago in this town, that's almost exactly what I made... Wow! But I didn't have Union dues to pay. And I don't think the tax rate was as high...> > > On Oct 23, 2008, at 06:12 , Kelly Smail wrote:> > >> >> > In 2001 putting up an FM in Great Falls, Montana My Contractor was> > billing at $15.00 per hour plus expenses. I was Training at the time> > for $15 / hour on call and $8 / Hour Scheduled.> > Two years ago assisting another local Engineer with his FM Digital> > Transmitter and antenna install, I was making $10 / Hour (as an> > assistant!) with taxes withheld by the station.> > Last year assisting on their AM Digital Transmitter Plant upgrade was> > about the same amount.> >> >> >> > From: layton2 at earthlink.net> > To: sbe at sbe.org> > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:53:20 -0400> > Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> >> >> > Wow! I left Chicago in 1984 and was making three times that then!> >> > Jack Layton CPBE> > Layton Technical Services> > 134 Lakeview Drive> > McMurray, PA 15317> > Phone 724-942-4054> > layton2 at earthlink.net> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Edwin Bukont> > To: sbe> > Sent: 10/22/2008 10:41:10 PM> > Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> >> >> > NABET can't over rule federal and state laws of safety, taxes,> > insurance etc.> >> > A freelancer perhaps could be paid that, but given the hours you are> > discussing, the IRS policies against illegal contracting out of full> > time work would probably require benefits to be provided.> >> >> > Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT> > Comm-Struction and Services LLC> > V- 410.879.5567 F- 410.272.5750 C- 240.417.2475> >> > ebukont at msn.com> > A Harris Broadcast Channel Partner> >> >> >> >> >> > From: A9xw at cs.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:10:04 -0400> > To: sbe at sbe.org> > Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> >> > Is this sub market of Chicago you'd be lucky to get over $11. That's> > the NABET contract rate.> >> > Henry> > _______________________________________________> > The SBE Roundtable, SBE at sbe.org> > To unsubscribe, go to http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/options/sbe> >> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe> > --> Henry M. Seiden> henry at techworkspro.com> Drag'n'Drop VCF card... Just drag and drop the attached .vcf card into your fave Addressbook application for instant addition of our address!> > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/sbe/attachments/20081023/b02db7e8/attachment-0001.html>> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/sbe/attachments/20081023/b02db7e8/attachment-0001.htm>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:19:33 -0400> From: Cowboy <curt at spam-o-matic.net>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: sbe member discussion mail list <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID: <200810230819.33198.curt at spam-o-matic.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:41 pm, Edwin Bukont wrote:> >> > NABET can't over rule federal and state laws of safety, taxes,> > insurance etc.> >> > A freelancer perhaps could be paid that, but given the hours you are> > discussing, the IRS policies against illegal contracting out of full> > time work would probably require benefits to be provided.> > Good point !> > He did mention this was a short-term employment position, so factoring in the benefits an employee gets, NO 2% self employment punishment penalty tax, health coverage, workman's comp, retirement contributions, sick days, vacation accrual, no individual or contractor's liability, that an employee only pays 7% Social Security and not the 15% we pay, no errors and omissions, no responsibility for mistakes, including getting paid again to fix his own mistakes, a W-2 instead of a 1099, employer pays all expenses ( including tools ) untaxed, etc. all of which would be employer costs above that $20, it's not real terrible, and not too far from what I "clear"> after all the government mandated unfunded expenses, and business required expenses, such as tools, accounting, quarterly tax "estimates"> and such.> > Somebody explain this "spread the wealth" thing again ?> > --> Cowboy> > http://cowboys.homeip.net> > How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?> > One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:22:15 -0400> From: Cowboy <curt at spam-o-matic.net>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: sbe member discussion mail list <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID: <200810230822.15358.curt at spam-o-matic.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:10 pm, A9xw at cs.com wrote:> > Is this sub market of Chicago you'd be lucky to get over $11. That's> > the NABET contract rate.> > Not faulting you, but isn't that below the federal poverty rate ?> > --> Cowboy> > http://cowboys.homeip.net> > How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?> > One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools.> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:41:34 -0400> From: "Tony Mancari" <TMancari at wvpt.net>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: <curt at spam-o-matic.net>, "sbe member discussion mail list"> <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID:> <5FBEA0451AB1204C8699558306790679F40468 at 2K3SERVER2.wvpt.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > This is an interesting discussion and I am going to chime in with some past experience...> > Many years ago when I first got into the technical end of radio and TV I made a buck 60 an hour (1970)...once I got my First Phone and worked at a directional AM I was bumped to 10 bucks (1980)...along came the opportunity to join SBE (1990) and I was at 75 dollars minimum call in or a rate of 50 dollars an hour, minimum 150 dollars bill if travel was more than 10 miles.> > Honestly, the biggest difference was time marching on, attending a lot of tech continuation education, meeting the people at all the stations in the area I was working in, offering assistance in anyway possible...sometimes even free ...that's right, just offering to come in and look at the issue...thus gaining a lot of experience in both radio, TV, in design and installation of both, and finally holding both the FCC First Phone and SBE certification...> > SBE Certification- just do it!> > > -----Original Message-----> From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Cowboy> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:22 AM> To: sbe member discussion mail list> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> > On Wednesday 22 October 2008 10:10 pm, A9xw at cs.com wrote:> > Is this sub market of Chicago you'd be lucky to get over $11. That's> the> > NABET contract rate.> > Not faulting you, but isn't that below the federal poverty rate ?> > --> Cowboy> > http://cowboys.homeip.net> > How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?> > One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools.> > _______________________________________________> The SBE Roundtable, SBE at sbe.org> To unsubscribe, go to http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/options/sbe> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:52:12 -0400> From: Edwin Bukont <ebukont at msn.com>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: sbe <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID: <BLU102-W2512D57408086F757AD28EA9280 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > And your expenses for insurance, transport, taxes, business lic. etc were what? Your tools?> > In this market, the cost of doing business is $5/hr. That means the cost to have a legal business, even if I just sat in the office and had no project expenses, and thus no income, is still $5/hr that I need to cover. You can't do that on less than $50/hr and you won't grow your biz. My nearest competitor, charging $10/hr less than me, just closed his shop. I am one of the less expensive, so I know my rate is fair. I pay my PT help $20-30. That equates to an effective salary of @ $42k if they were FT. At $15/hr you cant be continuing your education or purchase of necessary tools, unless you are not providing those.Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT Comm-Struction and Services LLC V- 410.879.5567 F- 410.272.5750 C- 240.417.2475 ebukont at msn.com A Harris Broadcast Channel Partner> > > > From: kselectronics at hotmail.comTo: sbe at sbe.orgDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:12:50 -0600Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> > In 2001 putting up an FM in Great Falls, Montana My Contractor was billing at $15.00 per hour plus expenses. I was Training at the time for $15 / hour on call and $8 / Hour Scheduled. Two years ago assisting another local Engineer with his FM Digital Transmitter and antenna install, I was making $10 / Hour (as an assistant!) with taxes withheld by the station. Last year assisting on their AM Digital Transmitter Plant upgrade was about the same amount.> > > > From: layton2 at earthlink.netTo: sbe at sbe.orgDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:53:20 -0400Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> > > Wow! I left Chicago in 1984 and was making three times that then!> > > Jack Layton CPBE> Layton Technical Services> 134 Lakeview Drive> McMurray, PA 15317> Phone 724-942-4054> layton2 at earthlink.net> > > > > ----- Original Message -----> From: Edwin Bukont> To: sbe> Sent: 10/22/2008 10:41:10 PM> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed NABET can't over rule federal and state laws of safety, taxes, insurance etc. A freelancer perhaps could be paid that, but given the hours you are discussing, the IRS policies against illegal contracting out of full time work would probably require benefits to be provided. Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT Comm-Struction and Services LLC V- 410.879.5567 F- 410.272.5750 C- 240.417.2475 ebukont at msn.com A Harris Broadcast Channel Partner> > From: A9xw at cs.comDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:10:04 -0400To: sbe at sbe.orgSubject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer neededIs this sub market of Chicago you'd be lucky to get over $11. That's the NABET contract rate. Henry> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/sbe/attachments/20081023/e5172e61/attachment-0001.html>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:50:18 EDT> From: A9xw at cs.com> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: sbe at sbe.org> Message-ID: <d42.290bea07.3631db1a at cs.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > THis isn't contracting, its a temperary staff position. In case you forgot, minimum wage is just over $5/hr.> > Henry> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/sbe/attachments/20081023/0a18624e/attachment-0001.htm>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:23:53 -0400> From: Edwin Bukont <ebukont at msn.com>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: sbe <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID: <BLU102-W180318B75B23A72907146FA9280 at phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > So, does this staff person work at least 28 (32?) hrs per week to qualify at FT and get benefits?> > That's still pretty cheap though for what you are asking in qualifications. Around here, diesel mechanics with no training get $28!Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT Comm-Struction and Services LLC V- 410.879.5567 F- 410.272.5750 C- 240.417.2475 ebukont at msn.com A Harris Broadcast Channel Partner> > > > From: A9xw at cs.comDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:50:18 -0400To: sbe at sbe.orgSubject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer neededTHis isn't contracting, its a temperary staff position. In case you forgot, minimum wage is just over $5/hr. Henry> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/sbe/attachments/20081023/ed0b2446/attachment.html>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:58:01 +0430> From: "Albert Muick" <radioresearch_field_operations at yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> To: "'sbe member discussion mail list'" <sbe at sbe.org>> Message-ID: <004f01c9351b$924e8ba0$b6eba2e0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Henry,> > > > I thought minimum wage was up to seven dollars something..> > > > Al Muick> > > > From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of A9xw at cs.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:20 PM> To: sbe at sbe.org> Subject: Re: [SBE] HD plant construction engineer needed> > > > THis isn't contracting, its a temperary staff position. In case you forgot, minimum wage is just over $5/hr.> > Henry> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/sbe/attachments/20081023/caae75bd/attachment.htm>> > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> The SBE Roundtable> SBE mailing list> SBE at sbe.org> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe> > > End of SBE Digest, Vol 105, Issue 2> ***********************************> _______________________________________________> The SBE Roundtable, SBE at sbe.org> To unsubscribe, go to http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/options/sbe> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/sbe
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