[SBE] EAS CAP

[Edwin Bukont]

Clay

 

I am tending to agree with your comments.  I guess I did not make it clear that I do not believe this should be a primary and invasive component of broadcasting.  While I can understand using broadcast as just that, a broadcast link, one of many link technologies, we are carrying way too much of the burden.  Yes broadcasters should be compensated in some way for providing the service.  Private business is drowning in unfunded mandates which the states should pay for,  and which would probably not exist except for the unfair burden, and yet they only pay for enforcement.  Personally I think that the community of licensce should reimburse stations in some manner, such as tax exemption or exemption from other regulations that are unfit for a 24/7 first responder because this is a 24/7 public service.  If the whole COL mess went away, we would be even better off.

Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT 
V- 240.417.2475; F- 240.368.1265 

 




 


From: k7cr at blarg.net
To: sbe at sbe.org
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:55:56 -0700
Subject: Re: [SBE] EAS CAP




Ed - 
 
Some thoughts on your posting - See below
 
Clay

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Edwin Bukont 
To: sbe 
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [SBE] EAS CAP


I have said for quite some time that what should happen is ubiquitous distribution of emergency info by FM digital SCA. 
 
CF - Frankly I don't agree...for a number of reasons
 

> SCA equipment is hard to find

> Reception is touchy, at best

> Stations always want to be paid for this spectrum

> I feel that the distribution of Emergency Messages should be the responsibilty of governments....NOT broadcasters.

 
This could originiate at transmitter sites, including aux sites, not studios. This could work even with HD radio.  Every primary station, probably more than one per market, would have direct links to authorities. 
 
CF - I agree that studios should not be in the picture...and I agree there should be direct links from the authorities...but why use broadcast stations for this purpose?...Here in Washington State we have, what we call, Local Relay Networks.  Sometimes these are public works repeaters that 'share' time for EAS.  Works great and the infrastructure is already there.  More recently we have been pressing for DEDICATED spectrum for this purpose.
 
 That primary station could then decide if the info is to be rebroadcast on their main program channel.  Stations downstream would monitor the SCA, and rebroadcast it as an SCA, as well as again decide if the content was to be used in the main channel.
 
CF - I hear what you are saying...and it sure beats the 'Daisy-Chain'.   Consider the fact that NO-ONE must use a Daisy Chain unless their state - decided- that they wanted to.   This is NOT a federal requirement.   This is why Washington did not use it.  It was the lightning-rod of EBS and we decided that it was too problematic to do it with EAS.  Too bad so many folks feel that the Daisy Chain is the only way.

This would solve NOAA/NWS problem of penetration into rural areas not served by their own transmitters.
 
CF - If broadcasters want to enhance the coverage of NWS - Then put it on an HD-3 channel.  At least with HD you can go out and buy a variety of receivers from a number of sources.  Try and do that with SCA's
 
What we have now, this daisy chain in the main program channel, exists solely to appease a select few legacy broadcasters.

CF - Again, Ed....This is a CHOICE !   Not a requirement.   
 
Regards, Clay


Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT 
V- 240.417.2475; F- 240.368.1265 

 




 

> From: rar01 at mac.com

> To: sbe at sbe.org

> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:07:00 -0700

> Subject: Re: [SBE] EAS CAP

> 

> As Clay Freinwald and others including myself have said for some time, 

> the public internet should not be the only way stations get CAP 

> messages.

> 

> Some of you may be familiar with the Local Relay Network (LRN) concept 

> as is practiced in Washington State. Radio links act as wireless 

> multipoint distribution systems from warning centers to all EAS 

> broadcast entry points.

> 

> The existing LP relay network perpetuates the daisy chain we all 

> thought we said good-by to when we left EBS. Getting EAS messages from 

> warning centers to al broadcast entry points simultaneously. My 

> personal take (having served as an LECC Chair and still serving as the 

> Vice-Chair for the California SECC) is that depending on an LP-1 

> creates a link in the warning chain that, if broken, will make it 

> highly unlikely (if not impossible) that any stations monitoring that 

> LP1 will get the message.

> 

> NWS/ NOAA Weather Radio has stepped in to effectively create LRN's 

> already in some areas. I believe if local civil warning centers link 

> up with NOAA weather radio and themselves license and operate LRN's, 

> we can create a much more robust platform that can be the basis for 

> EAS monitoring assignments in future LECC and SECC plans.

> 

> There are proposals before FEMA and FCC for such wireless radio links 

> (LRN's). Stay tuned.

> 

> Richard Rudman

> 

> 

> On Oct 2, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Thomas Shanks wrote:

> 

> > This is my sticking point. Are they actually going to require every 

> > station to have a disaster-proof Internet connection? The internet 

> > itself is not at all disaster-proof. The boxes really need to be 

> > listening for relay and relaying when the internet does not pass the 

> > traffic first. The last thing we need is the FCC breathing down our 

> > throats when the low-speed wireless internet connection to the 

> > transmitter site that uses routers a 1/4 mile in the air dies for a 

> > few months due to a lightning strike. Relay should take over, and 

> > stations should be permitted to operate over the old relay for as 

> > long as technically required.

> >

> > Come on National Office! Get leeway out of FEMA on this!

> >

> > --

> > Thomas Shanks CBRE

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