[SBE] HP Printers vs Canon

[Teplansky, George]

A different take on the issue.
 
Theorists yes.  Socialists? Up for discussion.
 
In business, the boss should learn to identify snake oil or fail.  Easy
choice.  The MBA's learned the tools of how to make greater profit
without considering personnel or social outcomes, including poor product
quality.  Those are the responsibility of top management and owners.
Clearly, in many cases it is the greed of the directors and top
management that allowed the MBAs to run the shop.  Stock prices went up,
share holders were happy, and cheaper products selling at inflated
prices reigned.  Everyone was a winner except for the customer.  If the
owners don't care, it is up to the customers to quit buying.  That's
capitalism.  If the customers can't tell snake oil from truth, it's the
customer that needs to beware.  Of course government could interfere and
demand honesty, but that would interfer with what some call free
enterprise.
 
George Teplansky, SBE, SMPTE
12104 Maple Forest Court
Fairfax, VA
 
 

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Edwin Bukont
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:02 PM
To: sbe
Subject: Re: [SBE] HP Printers vs Canon



Now you are going into another of my theories.
 
We know that academia is populated largely by theorists and socialists.
I happen to think in fact that we SHOULD be suing the B-schools and the
MBAs,  not the captains of Wall Street for this mess.
 
The mess I believe has been caused largely by young MBAs in accounting
and finance, spewing forth their training against a lack of real
experience.  And their training has been largely in elitest theorey,
sort of like robots with untested code sent out to see if they really
can run the planet.  You might say the B-schools white tested their
black box theories on the populace at large.  Imagine if a drug company
did that!!!!
 
Well they have ruined it instead, the pulbic is paying the price,
private industry is being blamed, but not one word of reprimand is being
scolded at the schools. Rather, they are getting away scottfree, those
who mistrained the middle management that skewed data and believe they
could really get away with it.  B-schools have hoodwinked America.  How
else to explain some of the strange disassociations that B-schools put
forth.  I did my Masters in PM at GWU.  One of the feircest battles was
that the MBA program did NOT want the M'PM folks to take the same
accounting and finance classes as the MBAs.  Now why do we think that
was?  I have done some research and its very strange that while
B-schools solicit feedback, there is little in the way of public review
available on the effectivenss of MBA programs in the actual guidance of
companies.  You are asking the right question, but the alums will not
hear it.
 

Edwin Bukont CSRE, DRB, CBNT 
E2 Technical Services LLC
Tech-Knowledgy for When Sound Matters
Nashville, Baltimore, Wherever
V- 240.417.2475; F- 240.368.1265
ebukont at msn.com

 








 

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:33:55 -0700
From: dstreett at gmail.com
To: sbe at sbe.org
Subject: Re: [SBE] HP Printers vs Canon

I love the insider stories.  Could the business schools be at the core
of what's rotten in America? 
D.Streett


On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:43 PM, BILLG <BILLG at wmrg.com> wrote:


	
	As a former HP employee during the late 70 /early 80 We started
to see the MBA car wreck that was happening Profit was the driving
force. They cut out the free soda, fruit, and other goodies that made us
that put in a lot of overtime feel "loved" :-)
	I left HP to get my MBA to better understand what was happening
and never went back
	I later became an HP dealer but never sold much as you could get
most printers and small computers at big box stores cheaper than I could
get the products from distribution. Then a couple of years ago they
mandated that you had to take an online course on recycling in order to
keep your authorization. Never made enough to cover the cost so I said
bye bye to HP
	And don't get me started on driver support or lack there of.  If
you loose your original disk you can't even use your old printer on
98/2000 or what ever, as they have pulled most driver for them.
	 
	I now recommend Brother for Inkjet based systems and Samsung for
laser jet.Good quality, long lasting, lots of features, some quirks but
livable.
	 
	What they did to the  company would make Bill and Dave roll over
in their grave.
	 
	Bill Gellhaus

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Stu Casteel <mailto:stu at pacific.net>  
		To: sbe at sbe.org 
		Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 15:42
		Subject: Re: [SBE] HP Printers vs Canon


		my time at HP bridged the end of Bill & Dave through
John Young (i.e. back
		when it was an engineering company - marketing was "the
next bench" Saki
		and Sushi would be presented as "Warm white wine & cold
raw fish")
		
		at the point when HP broke $10B - 1/10th of that was OEM
Cannon Laser
		printers (the type where you bring the rolls of paper in
on forklifts) -
		the only HP parts were the plastic case and English
manual -
		coincidentally that was about a year or two before HP
introduced 4
		different "PC's" within a few months of each other
		
		the 9826 - an engineers wet dream, color vector
graphics, a scroll wheel
		on the keyboard (predating the mouse) and "mainframe"
power
		
		there was a unix based lunch pail "luggable" plasma
screened PC with built
		in Ethernet (coax) and a mini "thinkjet" - just the
thing to hack banks
		
		the calculator division got in to the act with a full
QWERTY chicklet
		keyboard with a nifty mag strip read/write (took a
practiced hand)
		
		and the last one was the "touch screen" (the infamous
"caterpillar
		butterfly commercials) originally only available with
green phosphors -
		the only application initially offered was a Rolodex
that you could scroll
		through and would dial your phone
		
		there was no way to transfer a single byte of data
between any of them!
		
		around this time the MBA's started infiltrating
(Stanford being literally
		next door) and in time (after John Young - then Lou
Platt) started to take
		over and "the HP way" went out the door - I had one
meeting with Carly and
		 followed it out the door as well - loved my HP plotters
and LJ1, had my
		share of Compaq PC's and HP laptops but once Carly
shifted the entire
		corporate focus from core engineering & medical to
consumer it has been
		downhill ever since
		
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