[Techtoolslist] MMI Data book - 6351 PROM

[John Robertson]

Oh, boy, what a pain these 6351s are! The Unipak 
can't handle MMI very well at all, gets a few 
addresses in then quits. It does burn Signetics 
and other PROMSs just fine. My adapter socket is 
correct, and I've been talking with the expert on 
Unipaks/Programming Paks - Al Marin - once of 
Data I/O and bought out all their early stock and 
is the sole support site left. He also tells me 
the early MMI PROMs were difficult to program and 
they often modified the card so it would get an 
infinite amount of 33V pulses instead of the 
three (MMI) recommended. You can't do that with 
the Unipak though. Sigh! The Unipak 2B supposedly 
handles 6352s which are simply rewired 6351's BUT 
that is where I'm having the problem with lack of 
more than a few addresses per burn cycle.

We've been chatting back and forth for the past 
few days on these parts and finding a way to burn 
them. So far I find I have a 6351 adapter for the 
Programming Pak, but my PP is for the Signetic 
PROMs, not MMI. Totally different voltages, pulse 
widths etc.

So - I'm looking for a Programming Pak with 
Analog and Digital cards labelled 1226-1 (MMI) 
{mine is 1226-2L (Signetics)}. I have schematics 
for the 1226-1 cards (MMI) if anyone wants a copy.

I now have all the info I need on the 6351 
though, thanks! Burning is going to be a pain 
though...

John :-#)#

At 9:51 PM -0700 5/5/06, John Robertson wrote:

>Thanks, I find that the old Logicpak PROM 

>programmer is the part required - I have that, 

>and a number of the 715-XXX adapters, but NOT 

>the 715-1036 adapter! So I think I can modify a 

>715-1039 to do the job though. Just a bit of cut 

>and paste!

>

>Does anyone know if you can plug the 19 series 

>packs into the 29? I suspect so, but will have 

>to read up to find out for sure.

>

>John :-#)#

>

>At 8:46 PM -0400 5/5/06, AL SACCO_comcast wrote:

>>I found only one reference to the 6351 in a 

>>Data I/O  booklet on proms on system 19......

>>showed 1024 x 4     pinout 18   5351/6351   vol 

>>ts  909/919 - 1226-1 rev G  .....

>>socket adapter 715-1036.......

>>

>>AL

>>

>>

>>----- Original Message -----

>>From: <mailto:jrr at flippers.com>John Robertson

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>>Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:21 PM

>>Subject: Re: Re : [Techtoolslist] MMI Data book - 6351 PROM

>>

>>Thanks Bruno,

>>

>>I'll add it to the FTP site under, um...old parts?

>>

>>John :-#)#

>>

>>At 3:47 PM -0400 5/5/06, Bruno wrote:

>>

>>>John you got mail !!!! that all there is , but i think its what you want !!!

>>>

>>

>>

>>Bruno

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>----- Original Message -----

>>

>>From: <mailto:jrr at flippers.com>John Robertson

>>

>>To: <mailto:techtoolslist at flippers.com>Technical Tools Mail List

>>

>>Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:20 AM

>>

>>Subject: Re: Re : [Techtoolslist] MMI Data book - 6351 PROM

>>

>>

>>I know that the earlier Data I/O programmers 

>>(19?) could handle the 6351, but not the 

>>29/Unipak2 - no code for that one. Curious if 

>>an adapter with some hardware will do it. I 

>>need these to simplify making replacement PROMs 

>>for Gottlieb system 1 MPUs. Hoping to 'corner' 

>>the market (perhaps ten proms/year in sales!). 

>>So if you want to sell yours cheap... ;-)

>>

>>

>>Does anyone have the early prom code sheet for 

>>the 19? I have the 29 list on the ftp site:

>>

>>

>>ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/DATA-IO (not well organized I'm afraid!)

>>

>>

>>Note that I have removed the space between "Test" and "Equipment" now...

>>

>>

>>John ;-#)#

>>

>>

>>At 11:23 AM +0100 5/5/06, Martin White wrote:

>>

>>>I need to double check the part number, but I 

>>>seem to think I have a bunch of these that I 

>>>can't program too so I'd be interested to here 

>>>the details of this adapter :o)

>>>

>>>Cheers,

>>>Martin.

>>>

>>>

>>>On 5/5/06 10:39, "bsltron at videotron.ca" <bsltron at videotron.ca> wrote:

>>>

>>>I do have it , i'll check to scan the proper pages John !!!

>>>

>>>----- Message d'origine -----

>>>De: John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>

>>>Date: Jeudi, Mai 4, 2006 6:40 pm

>>>Objet: [Techtoolslist] MMI Data book - 6351 PROM

>>>À: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>

>>>

>>>>  Help, (still looking for this book...sigh)

>>>>

>>>>  Anyone here have a copy of the 1978(?) MMI Memory (PROM/Eprom)

>>>>  book

>>>>  that has the programming info for the 6351? This is an odd duck,

>>>>  unusual pinout and voltages. Need to make an adapter for my I/O,

>>>>  but

>>>>  I can't find my copy of the MMI book. Dated 1978 I think...

>>>>

>>>>  I did find, online, a PDF of the 63XX-1, however it does not

>>>>  cover

>>>>  the pages I need - the programming settings...rather it just

>>>>  speaks

>>>>  to the USE of this family of PROMs.

>>>>

>>>>  Thanks,

>>>>

>>>>  John :-#)#

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