From tony at tonyjones.com Tue Jul 17 13:27:00 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for a Fluke 9132 software floppies Message-ID: Hi. 1. I traded with David Shoemaker for a Fluke 9132FT-68040 personality module. I was having a hard time getting my Kryoflux to read the software disc that came with it. Eventually I discovered that the center metal hub had come unglued from the actual disc media :) Unfortunately the notch on the hub serves as the track start marker so fixing it is more than just trying to glue things back together (which is easy). I was wondering if anyone else had a copy? It's labelled. "Master User Software 9132FT-68040 JFPN 919428 Rev V1.1" (see attached image). 2. I'd also be interested in copies of any other 9132A/9132FT software discs (that have not been already archived).. I have modules for the 9132FT-68302, 9132A-320C2X plus a couple other really obscure ones (8344 and SDP185) that lack the software. 3. If anyone has other 9132FT parts especially the ROM adapters. I'd be happy to trade. I have a fair stock of 9100 parts at the moment. Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 9132FT-68040.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 313834 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jrr at flippers.com Wed Jul 18 16:26:13 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke FIDE 4.1.9 Run-time error'68' Message-ID: <60020057-90b8-1903-39d8-c244d6736f34@flippers.com> I've been using the 9010A only with the keyboard, however I am now finding that I have to run some scripts for servicing some old game boards - Pole Position 2 by Namco. By and large I can type the stuff in, but I wanted to use FIDE to both edit the code and upload it to my unit either via the USB mod or the Wi-Fi mod (back in 2015/2016 we talked about these). Is anyone else using Quarterarcade's FIDE? I have a regular occurrence of the run-time error 68. It is Windows based: 68 Device unavailable A hardware device or necessary requirement for the program is not being found. Verify all hardware and software required by the program is installed. If you continue to have the same issues verify the latest updates are installed for the program as well as any hardware device the program needs. Anyone else found a solution or a cause for this? James did leave the source code for FIDE: https://app.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE/subversion/source/HEAD I don't know if James is still hanging out here at TTL, but I certainly appreciate his FIDE program! Perhaps FIDE just isn't happy running over a network...or does it needs longer timeouts? Thanks, John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From mdesfoss at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 15:05:36 2018 From: mdesfoss at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marc_Desfoss=E9s?=) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:05:36 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering if you knew good tools to test 6116 memory chips. Any tester or DIY tool to recommend ? Thanks Marc From ki4swy at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 15:17:55 2018 From: ki4swy at gmail.com (William Stillwell) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 15:17:55 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Inquisitor IC Tester by NeoLoch William Stillwell Board Member - Inspiration labs, Inc. a 501c3 organization Board Member & Co-Founder - Byte Amusement Group // Free Play Florida Arcade & Pinball Show a 501c3 organization On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 3:05 PM Marc Desfoss?s wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if you knew good tools to test 6116 memory chips. Any > tester or DIY tool to recommend ? > > Thanks > > Marc > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From andrew.finn at lineone.net Wed Aug 8 15:35:16 2018 From: andrew.finn at lineone.net (Andrew Finn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:35:16 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B078BC4-1B21-4A19-9CEB-93378410D39D@lineone.net> Abi chipmaster does and so do dataman programmers Andrew > On 8 Aug 2018, at 8:05 pm, Marc Desfoss?s wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if you knew good tools to test 6116 memory chips. Any tester or DIY tool to recommend ? > > Thanks > > Marc > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From joemagiera at ameritech.net Wed Aug 8 15:44:39 2018 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joe Magiera) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 14:44:39 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008701d42f50$3f52d7f0$bdf887d0$@ameritech.net> I use Neo's RAM tester too. Very nice and easy. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of William Stillwell Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 2:18 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester Inquisitor IC Tester by NeoLoch William Stillwell Board Member - Inspiration labs, Inc. a 501c3 organization Board Member & Co-Founder - Byte Amusement Group // Free Play Florida Arcade & Pinball Show a 501c3 organization On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 3:05 PM Marc Desfoss?s wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if you knew good tools to test 6116 memory chips. Any > tester or DIY tool to recommend ? > > Thanks > > Marc > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jrr at flippers.com Wed Aug 8 20:20:09 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 17:20:09 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 - SCSI2SD V5.0b - USB port... Message-ID: <3c3e2231-9ce6-f5bf-5202-9155741fc851@flippers.com> Has anyone used the USB port of these for accessing the Micro-SD card? I made an image of OS9-6.1 on a 1GB Micro-SD card but I'm thinking how can I easily archive the drive without opening the case? I'm thinking mini-USB to regular USB female and mount that on the unused expansion slot metal cover plate. Thanks, John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Wed Aug 8 21:40:38 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 18:40:38 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 - SCSI2SD V5.0b - USB port... In-Reply-To: <3c3e2231-9ce6-f5bf-5202-9155741fc851@flippers.com> References: <3c3e2231-9ce6-f5bf-5202-9155741fc851@flippers.com> Message-ID: <8EFF8C9C-1DCB-408D-8C38-2CF5C4BFD3FA@retrospec.tv> On August 8, 2018 5:20:09 PM PDT, John Robertson wrote: >Has anyone used the USB port of these for accessing the Micro-SD card? > >I made an image of OS9-6.1 on a 1GB Micro-SD card but I'm thinking how >can I easily archive the drive without opening the case? I'm thinking >mini-USB to regular USB female and mount that on the unused expansion >slot metal cover plate. > >Thanks, > >John :-#)# > >-- >How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ I haven't done this, but have had the same idea. From tony at tonyjones.com Wed Aug 8 22:37:28 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:37:28 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 - SCSI2SD V5.0b - USB port... In-Reply-To: <3c3e2231-9ce6-f5bf-5202-9155741fc851@flippers.com> References: <3c3e2231-9ce6-f5bf-5202-9155741fc851@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:20 PM John Robertson wrote: > I'm thinking mini-USB to regular USB female and mount that on the unused > expansion > slot metal cover plate. > Someone has already done this. It's mentioned in the archives. I ordered a cable (can post pic of it) to do the same but haven't yet had the time. From ian at retrospec.tv Wed Aug 8 22:46:14 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 19:46:14 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 - SCSI2SD V5.0b - USB port... In-Reply-To: References: <3c3e2231-9ce6-f5bf-5202-9155741fc851@flippers.com> Message-ID: On August 8, 2018 7:37:28 PM PDT, Tony Jones wrote: >On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:20 PM John Robertson wrote: > >> I'm thinking mini-USB to regular USB female and mount that on the >unused >> expansion >> slot metal cover plate. >> > >Someone has already done this. It's mentioned in the archives. I >ordered a >cable (can post pic of it) to do the same but haven't yet had the time. >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ I tried doing this with my Kryoflux rig, but ended removing it after getting since unexpected failures. It would probably work fine in a less timing sensitive application. From wkarkula at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 07:53:17 2018 From: wkarkula at comcast.net (Bill Karkula) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 06:53:17 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester In-Reply-To: <008701d42f50$3f52d7f0$bdf887d0$@ameritech.net> References: <008701d42f50$3f52d7f0$bdf887d0$@ameritech.net> Message-ID: Inquisitor - small and compact - fits in a medium parts drawer for storage. would like to see him develop a ? generic? plug in card with usb interface so we can create our own test files for additional parts. Best Regards, Bill > On Aug 8, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Joe Magiera wrote: > > I use Neo's RAM tester too. Very nice and easy. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of William Stillwell > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 2:18 PM > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 6116 memory tester > > Inquisitor IC Tester by NeoLoch > > William Stillwell > > Board Member - Inspiration labs, Inc. a 501c3 organization > > Board Member & Co-Founder - Byte Amusement Group // Free Play Florida > Arcade & Pinball Show a 501c3 organization > > > > >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 3:05 PM Marc Desfoss?s wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering if you knew good tools to test 6116 memory chips. Any >> tester or DIY tool to recommend ? >> >> Thanks >> >> Marc >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From jrr at flippers.com Thu Aug 9 13:30:20 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:30:20 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? Message-ID: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> Anyone ever run into this kit? According to the 9100 service manual it consists of: The Service Kit uses Guided Fault Isolation (GFI) programs to assist in troubleshooting 9100A/9105A systems. The Service Kit contains GFI and utility programs, an extender board, and instructions. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Fri Aug 10 19:17:44 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:17:44 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Canon MD350 floppy on Fluke 9100 Message-ID: <9453ffc6-b4e7-ecab-8f5c-e0308e83cb45@flippers.com> Anyone have a 9100 that is working with the Canon MD-350 floppy drive and can share the jumper settings? I have three drives here that won't work on a good 9100 (it likes the Sony F17s) and I am using the 6.0 Service disk (Micro-SD). Tried both the basic CANON setting and the CANNON HD (factory typo!) setting, which I assume is for a 1.4 Canon drive of unknown part number (to me). Thanks, John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Fri Aug 10 19:23:49 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:23:49 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> References: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> Message-ID: On 2018/08/09 10:30 AM, John Robertson wrote: > Anyone ever run into this kit? According to the 9100 service manual it > consists of: > > The Service Kit uses Guided Fault Isolation (GFI) programs to assist > in troubleshooting 9100A/9105A systems. The Service Kit contains GFI > and utility programs, an extender board, and instructions. > > John :-#)# Hmm, seems I may actually have this kit here, in pieces. So far have found a pair of floppies labelled "9100A/AF UUT Test Disk V1.0" which may be the above mentioned disks for the Service Kit. I will archive that when I have a chance and post. Now to find the instructions as I am pretty sure I have at least one extender card in my stash of left over 9100 stuff! John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From tony at tonyjones.com Fri Aug 10 19:37:25 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:37:25 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: References: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, John Robertson wrote: > So far have found a > pair of floppies labelled "9100A/AF UUT Test Disk V1.0" which may be the > above mentioned disks for the Service Kit. I have several copies of this disk. I thought it had already been archived in the github archive but I just checked again and I don't see it. It's best if it gets dumped in Kryoflux stream format, same as all the other 9100 disks. There isn't much point having a few outliers stored on the ftp site in some other format. Curious on the extended board. Does it have a ZIF on it? I have a half dozen mystery extender boards with ZIFs on them. Obviously all of the above is handled totally differently on the FT version, per the sync connector on the mainboard. From tony at tonyjones.com Fri Aug 10 19:54:01 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:54:01 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: References: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > Curious on the extended board. Does it have a ZIF on it? I have a > half dozen mystery extender boards with ZIFs on them. Here is what I have. I have quite a few of them. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HtPnQ4RHImthtOG3LdRTvR_2BGU-2QAG Based on reading the service manual it would make sense that it's designed to fit into one of the 9100A expansion slots and have a 68000 pod connect to it. The only time I've seen one for sale was on eBay where it was pictured in the listing for a 9900 pod (which also has a 64 pin probe head) so I assumed it was some weird 9900 AF test fixture. Possible mystery solved, I like this :) From tony at tonyjones.com Fri Aug 10 20:28:43 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:28:43 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: References: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, John Robertson wrote: > >> So far have found a >> pair of floppies labelled "9100A/AF UUT Test Disk V1.0" which may be the >> above mentioned disks for the Service Kit. > > I have several copies of this disk. I thought it had already been > archived in the github archive but I just checked again and I don't > see it. Guess I needed to look closer, here it is: https://github.com/ieure/fluke-9100-disk-archive/tree/master/9100A-SYSTEM-4.1B-SC001__01-OB/UUT_TEST_DISK-V1.0__01-OG https://github.com/ieure/fluke-9100-disk-archive/blob/master/9100A-SYSTEM-4.1B-SC001__01-OB/UUT_TEST_DISK-V1.0__01-OG/UUT_TEST_DISK-V1.0__01-OG-BACK.jpg From ian at retrospec.tv Fri Aug 10 20:43:25 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:43:25 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: References: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> Message-ID: <924E1DF2-DDFC-4013-867F-E5B3D959F876@retrospec.tv> On August 10, 2018 5:28:43 PM PDT, Tony Jones wrote: >On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, John Robertson >wrote: >> >>> So far have found a >>> pair of floppies labelled "9100A/AF UUT Test Disk V1.0" which may be >the >>> above mentioned disks for the Service Kit. >> >> I have several copies of this disk. I thought it had already been >> archived in the github archive but I just checked again and I don't >> see it. > >Guess I needed to look closer, here it is: > >https://github.com/ieure/fluke-9100-disk-archive/tree/master/9100A-SYSTEM-4.1B-SC001__01-OB/UUT_TEST_DISK-V1.0__01-OG > >https://github.com/ieure/fluke-9100-disk-archive/blob/master/9100A-SYSTEM-4.1B-SC001__01-OB/UUT_TEST_DISK-V1.0__01-OG/UUT_TEST_DISK-V1.0__01-OG-BACK.jpg >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Yep, those seem to have shipped most or all 4.x 9100A disks. I have several copies, all identical, so omitted then from some disk sets I archived. It would be nice if someone found a later version for the FT. From tony at tonyjones.com Fri Aug 10 20:53:38 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:53:38 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <924E1DF2-DDFC-4013-867F-E5B3D959F876@retrospec.tv> References: <30f280e4-9d5a-a854-6878-9a5503b82f0f@flippers.com> <924E1DF2-DDFC-4013-867F-E5B3D959F876@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 5:43 PM Ian Eure wrote: > > It would be nice if someone found a later version for the FT. > Supposedly part# 897116 but as I said in previous msg, you'll need a 9132FT along with a 9132FT sync module, 9132FT rom modules and a 9132FT-68030 personality module. The far more common 9132A-68030 personality module is marked in the 9100FT Emulation Selection Guide as unsupported for the 9132FT. From teeray at earthlink.net Fri Aug 10 23:31:00 2018 From: teeray at earthlink.net (teeray) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 03:31:00 +0000 (GMT+00:00) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? Message-ID: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ? All you need is a raw dump of the disk. Then everyone can write the image to a disk. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Jones via Techtoolslist >Sent: Aug 10, 2018 11:37 PM >To: John Robertson , Technical Tools Mail List >Cc: Tony Jones >Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? > >On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, John Robertson wrote: > >> So far have found a >> pair of floppies labelled "9100A/AF UUT Test Disk V1.0" which may be the >> above mentioned disks for the Service Kit. > >I have several copies of this disk. I thought it had already been >archived in the github archive but I just checked again and I don't >see it. >It's best if it gets dumped in Kryoflux stream format, same as all >the other 9100 disks. There isn't much point having a few outliers >stored on the ftp site in some other format. > >Curious on the extended board. Does it have a ZIF on it? I have a >half dozen mystery extender boards with ZIFs on them. > >Obviously all of the above is handled totally differently on the FT >version, per the sync connector on the mainboard. >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From tony at tonyjones.com Fri Aug 10 23:38:17 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 8:31 PM teeray wro > How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ? They would read the documentation. Both samdisk and disk-utilities can convert to raw sectors. The later can also convert to HFE if you're using a Gotek or similar USB floppy emulator on your 9100. From ian at retrospec.tv Fri Aug 10 23:51:03 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:51:03 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <87in4hv9w8.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> teeray writes: > Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board > write the disk image ? > Recent SamDisk can convert Kryoflux Stream images to its own format, or ImageDisk, and you can write those. There?s an example in the README in the archive. > All you need is a raw dump of the disk. > > Then everyone can write the image to a disk. > There is no "standard" format, which is one of the reasons why the 9100 disk image situation is such mess. This one is in TeleDisk format and disk 3 seems to be bad, someone said this is good, but it?s SAMDisk, and you need Windows to write that instead of DOS and blah blah blah. I wanted images which were absolutely known to be good or bad, and clearly documented as such. Kryoflux is what I chose, because it?s designed for archival, and has supporting features which other methods don?t. It shows you if the media has been modified by someone after it was pressed, so you know if you?re actually getting the original disk or one keyed to a specific machine?s serial number. It doesn?t fail on bad sectors, it dumps them and you can see exactly which were bad. If you have multiple damaged copies of the same disk, you can piece together a complete, good image, sector by sector. The goals of my archive are to be as complete and consistent as possible. That means all images are the same format, and that format is Kryoflux Stream. And since it?s sampling the flux instead of passing it through MFM decoding to create a bitstream, it?s the rawest dump you can get. :) -- Ian From jrr at flippers.com Sat Aug 11 13:08:13 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <87in4hv9w8.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> References: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <87in4hv9w8.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> Message-ID: <0a143fd2-2ef0-da9e-c027-337bfb22c968@flippers.com> On 2018/08/10 8:51 PM, Ian Eure wrote: > teeray writes: > >> Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board >> write the disk image ? >> > Recent SamDisk can convert Kryoflux Stream images to its own format, > or ImageDisk, and you can write those. There?s an example in the > README in the archive. > > >> All you need is a raw dump of the disk. >> >> Then everyone can write the image to a disk. >> > There is no "standard" format, which is one of the reasons why the > 9100 disk image situation is such mess. This one is in TeleDisk > format and disk 3 seems to be bad, someone said this is good, but it?s > SAMDisk, and you need Windows to write that instead of DOS and blah > blah blah. I wanted images which were absolutely known to be good or > bad, and clearly documented as such. > > Kryoflux is what I chose, because it?s designed for archival, and has > supporting features which other methods don?t. It shows you if the > media has been modified by someone after it was pressed, so you know > if you?re actually getting the original disk or one keyed to a > specific machine?s serial number. It doesn?t fail on bad sectors, it > dumps them and you can see exactly which were bad. If you have > multiple damaged copies of the same disk, you can piece together a > complete, good image, sector by sector. > > The goals of my archive are to be as complete and consistent as > possible. That means all images are the same format, and that format > is Kryoflux Stream. And since it?s sampling the flux instead of > passing it through MFM decoding to create a bitstream, it?s the rawest > dump you can get. :) > > -- Ian If Ian can archive good images using Kyroflux and the rest of us can convert those images to other formats then we all win! Ian, what do you need to go forward? If you have a list of floppies you either want images of or the physical disk I will help where I can. Much like the archiving of the 9010 tapes, this needs to be done sooner rather than later as floppies are failing due to age... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Sat Aug 11 14:37:22 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:37:22 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <0a143fd2-2ef0-da9e-c027-337bfb22c968@flippers.com> References: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <87in4hv9w8.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> <0a143fd2-2ef0-da9e-c027-337bfb22c968@flippers.com> Message-ID: <87in4gagwt.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> John Robertson writes: > On 2018/08/10 8:51 PM, Ian Eure wrote: >> teeray writes: >> >>> Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board >>> write the disk image ? >>> >> Recent SamDisk can convert Kryoflux Stream images to its own format, >> or ImageDisk, and you can write those. There?s an example in the >> README in the archive. >> >> >>> All you need is a raw dump of the disk. >>> >>> Then everyone can write the image to a disk. >>> >> There is no "standard" format, which is one of the reasons why the >> 9100 disk image situation is such mess. This one is in TeleDisk >> format and disk 3 seems to be bad, someone said this is good, but it?s >> SAMDisk, and you need Windows to write that instead of DOS and blah >> blah blah. I wanted images which were absolutely known to be good or >> bad, and clearly documented as such. >> >> Kryoflux is what I chose, because it?s designed for archival, and has >> supporting features which other methods don?t. It shows you if the >> media has been modified by someone after it was pressed, so you know >> if you?re actually getting the original disk or one keyed to a >> specific machine?s serial number. It doesn?t fail on bad sectors, it >> dumps them and you can see exactly which were bad. If you have >> multiple damaged copies of the same disk, you can piece together a >> complete, good image, sector by sector. >> >> The goals of my archive are to be as complete and consistent as >> possible. That means all images are the same format, and that format >> is Kryoflux Stream. And since it?s sampling the flux instead of >> passing it through MFM decoding to create a bitstream, it?s the rawest >> dump you can get. :) >> >> -- Ian > If Ian can archive good images using Kyroflux and the rest of us can > convert those images to other formats then we all win! > > Ian, what do you need to go forward? If you have a list of floppies you > either want images of or the physical disk I will help where I can. Much > like the archiving of the 9010 tapes, this needs to be done sooner > rather than later as floppies are failing due to age... > I personally tend to overkill, so I?d like to get ahold of as many disks as possible, even if they?re ones I already have copies of. You never know if you?ll find something a little different, and there?s no way to know but to check. I?m happy to pay shipping, and if you?d like duplicates to use as working copies, I?ll make some and include them when I return the originals. Anything I image gets put in the archive so everyone can benefit. My personal wish is for: - More service disks. Even if they?ve been used, the Kryoflux will show what sectors were modified to hold the machine?s serial number. This could be valuable to better understand how this process works. - Any 9100 disks versions 1.x-3.x and 5.x. The 4.x stuff seems to be the most common, and 6.0 / 6.1 have been circulated a fair amount as well. While these aren?t useful for using the 9100s today, I?m interested in preserving anything I can, and that?s a big gap. -- Ian From tony at tonyjones.com Sat Aug 11 15:11:26 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:11:26 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948? In-Reply-To: <87in4gagwt.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> References: <2105538422.14020.1533958260992@wamui-merida.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <87in4hv9w8.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> <0a143fd2-2ef0-da9e-c027-337bfb22c968@flippers.com> <87in4gagwt.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Ian Eure wrote: > My personal wish is for: > > - More service disks. > - Any 9100 disks versions 1.x-3.x and 5.x. Adding to this, the following 9132 software has not yet been archived: 9132A-R2000 9132FT-R3000 9132A-320C2X 9132A-64180 9132A-68HC11 (current archived copy is incomplete) 9132FT-68030 9132FT-68302 9132FT-68040 (version exists recreated from the PART/PODLIB folders on a HDD image) 9132A-7810 9132A-80C186 (current archived copy has altered labels) 9132A-80C88 9132FT-80286 9132FT-80386 9132FT-80386SX 9132FT-80486 9132FT-80960MC 9132A Firmware Upgrade Kit V2.1K Plus of course the 9100FT service disk mentioned earlier. From tony at tonyjones.com Sat Aug 11 21:56:01 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Using a USB floppy emulator with the Fluke 9100 Message-ID: There's been a few posts in the last few days about floppies. Archiving them, trying to get them working etc. There are two parts to the problem: 1. Archiving existing media. Ideally in a) a consistent format b) in a way which allows the status of the disks to be known (bad sectors, modified disks etc). What Ian has come up with is a huge improvement over the mess that was previously on the ftp site. 2. Taking one of the images in an archive and writing it to a blank floppy so it can be installed onto the 9100. The second of these requires two working floppy drives, one on your PC to create the image and another on the Fluke to read it. It also requires a supply of blank floppy disks. SamDisk won't work with USB floppy drives connected to a PC, so you need an older PC mainboard with a floppy interface. I know I'm not the first person to do this but it's possible to use one of the commodity USB Floppy Emulators such as the Gotek (http://www.gotek.in/) with the Fluke 9100. Pictures of my 9105FT with the Gotek installed are here. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t9FjN-5rI7PCDkevseEc4bJ1QMS9hPk1?usp=sharing I think the Gotek cost me $17 shipped. I'm running the free Flash Floppy firmware (https://github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy) You will need a USB->serial header adapter to initially flash this. I've also performed the common mod to add an i2c lcd display ($3) which allows you to select images by name on the front panel. I plan to add the small speaker to minic the drive head sound (after using it for a while I miss the audio confirmation that something is taking place). Geir Fraser who wrote the Xen hypervisor wrote Flash Floppy, he also wrote disk-utilities which supports converting from Kryoflux stream format to HFE, one of the formats supported by Flash Floppy. It's possible to have hundreds of floppy images stored on the Gotek (limited only by the size of the USB stick) and you can select which one is active via the two switches on the drive. You can boot images (service disk etc) off the Gotek using SOFT+F2+F4 or you can use it as the source for an fd0->hdd copy. If you have a 9105FT which has two floppy bags you can install a DPDT switch onto the drive 0/1 select lines and install a Gotek and a standard floppy and switch between them (normally the firmware when configured for 9100 mode only sees FD0). You'll need to set the interface type to "shugart" in FF.CFG on the root of your USB stick, other than this it's plug and play. HTH. Tony From jrr at flippers.com Mon Aug 13 21:05:38 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 18:05:38 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Using a USB floppy emulator with the Fluke 9100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2018/08/11 6:56 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > There's been a few posts in the last few days about floppies. > Archiving them, trying to get them working etc. > > There are two parts to the problem: > > 1. Archiving existing media. Ideally in a) a consistent format b) in a > way which allows the status of the disks to be known (bad sectors, > modified disks etc). What Ian has come up with is a huge > improvement over the mess that was previously on the ftp site. > > 2. Taking one of the images in an archive and writing it to a blank > floppy so it can be installed onto the 9100. > > The second of these requires two working floppy drives, one on your PC > to create the image and another on the Fluke to read it. It also > requires a supply of blank floppy disks. SamDisk won't work with > USB floppy drives connected to a PC, so you need an older PC mainboard > with a floppy interface. > > I know I'm not the first person to do this but it's possible to use > one of the commodity USB Floppy Emulators such as the Gotek > (http://www.gotek.in/) with the Fluke 9100. > > Pictures of my 9105FT with the Gotek installed are here. > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1t9FjN-5rI7PCDkevseEc4bJ1QMS9hPk1?usp=sharing > > I think the Gotek cost me $17 shipped. > > I'm running the free Flash Floppy firmware > (https://github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy) You will need a USB->serial > header adapter to initially flash this. I've also performed the > common mod to add an i2c lcd display ($3) which allows you to select > images by name on the front panel. I plan to add the small speaker > to minic the drive head sound (after using it for a while I miss the > audio confirmation that something is taking place). > > Geir Fraser who wrote the Xen hypervisor wrote Flash Floppy, he also > wrote disk-utilities which supports converting from Kryoflux stream > format to HFE, one of the formats supported by Flash Floppy. It's > possible to have hundreds of floppy images stored on the Gotek > (limited only by the size of the USB stick) and you can select which > one is active via the two switches on the drive. > > You can boot images (service disk etc) off the Gotek using SOFT+F2+F4 > or you can use it as the source for an fd0->hdd copy. If you have a > 9105FT which has two floppy bags you can install a DPDT switch onto > the drive 0/1 select lines and install a Gotek and a standard floppy > and switch between them (normally the firmware when configured for > 9100 mode only sees FD0). > > You'll need to set the interface type to "shugart" in FF.CFG on the > root of your USB stick, other than this it's plug and play. > > HTH. > > Tony Hi Tony, Thank you for sharing this most useful information, can you tell us which setting you have the 9100 set to for the Floppy Emulator? I have to wonder if the 9100 can utilize two Floppies if one pokes around with the configuration. Then one can have a working floppy drive along with the emulator and the SCSI2SD and have all the bells and whistles! Thanks, John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From tony at tonyjones.com Tue Aug 14 13:14:05 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Using a USB floppy emulator with the Fluke 9100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 6:05 PM, John Robertson wrote: > can you tell us which > setting you have the 9100 set to for the Floppy Emulator? Sony. That's what drives (2 of them) were in my 9105FT when I acquired it and I didn't need to change the config to use the Gotek. It is _possible_ that the Gotek won't be sensitive to the config value but I've not tried changing it. > I have to wonder if the 9100 can utilize two Floppies if one pokes around If you configure the mainframe as a 9105 (via the service disk) it is then configured to boot the OS from DR1 and load user disks from DR2. It's possible to change the source for userdisks to DR1 via SETUP/POD/USERDISK. So it may be possible to modify the OS9 filesystem somehow to see DR1 and DR2 when in 9100 mode (for copy source) but I've not spent any time doing this because there is no way to get the firmware to boot from DR2 (only DR1 via SOFT+F2+F4). This is why I went with the DPDT switch (since I had 2 floppy bays available) though practically I doubt I will ever use the physical floppy again since everything that seems to be known to exist is now in the github archive and having everything on 1 USB stick is just way more convenient. From jrr at flippers.com Tue Aug 14 20:59:38 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:59:38 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Recommend add a fuse upgrade for Fluke 9100 series Message-ID: I am now on the hunt for the small switching transformer on one of my 9100s as the original was cooked. Unfortunately it was not fused by Fluke and I am not sure where I am going to find this sucker. It is T1 and is called Transformer, Converter 775932 (manufacturers #89536) in parts listing. Shy (@ Navatek) hasn't seen one before but is still checking... This is a multi-winding sucker and provides the isolated voltages for the serial ports as well as the 70V for the display. Years ago I had a secondary cap (C101) short on this transformer and it let the magic smoke out. I had set it aside and forgotten, but now I am restoring a few 9100s and dug this out and found the smoked Xformer. In the meantime I have modified all my 9100s lifting the furthest leg of inductor L2 (10uH) away from the power connector J15 and then add a GMA fuse holder in series from raised leg and the PCB. I find a 300ma fuse works just fine. Which is interesting as Fluke put a 1A fuse in the 70V output to the display...obviously overkill! ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/Fuse_your_Converter_transformer/Fluke_transformer_converter_Add_Fuse_300MA.JPG I may have to send this transformer core out to get rewound, anyone have a suggestion where? Or I may try my hand in it, I have lots of tiny magnet wire on hand - assuming I can't find the transformer. More photos: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/Fuse_your_Converter_transformer/ John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From enginr at windstream.net Tue Aug 14 21:35:47 2018 From: enginr at windstream.net (Dave Riddle (Technical Dept.)) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 21:35:47 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Recommend add a fuse upgrade for Fluke 9100 series In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B738373.60109@windstream.net> My neighbor (and client) is Heritage Transformer in Eastview, KY. Small enough to care and large enough to be capable! https://www.manta.com/c/mmsh8lv/heritage-transformer-co-inc On 8/14/2018 8:59 PM, John Robertson wrote: > I am now on the hunt for the small switching transformer on one of my > 9100s as the original was cooked. Unfortunately it was not fused by > Fluke and I am not sure where I am going to find this sucker. It is T1 > and is called Transformer, Converter 775932 (manufacturers #89536) in > parts listing. > > Shy (@ Navatek) hasn't seen one before but is still checking... > > This is a multi-winding sucker and provides the isolated voltages for > the serial ports as well as the 70V for the display. Years ago I had a > secondary cap (C101) short on this transformer and it let the magic > smoke out. I had set it aside and forgotten, but now I am restoring a > few 9100s and dug this out and found the smoked Xformer. > > In the meantime I have modified all my 9100s lifting the furthest leg > of inductor L2 (10uH) away from the power connector J15 and then add a > GMA fuse holder in series from raised leg and the PCB. I find a 300ma > fuse works just fine. Which is interesting as Fluke put a 1A fuse in > the 70V output to the display...obviously overkill! > > ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/Fuse_your_Converter_transformer/Fluke_transformer_converter_Add_Fuse_300MA.JPG > > > I may have to send this transformer core out to get rewound, anyone > have a suggestion where? Or I may try my hand in it, I have lots of > tiny magnet wire on hand - assuming I can't find the transformer. > > More photos: > > ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/Fuse_your_Converter_transformer/ > > > John :-#)# > -- Find us at http://home.windstream.net/enginr From tony at tonyjones.com Thu Aug 16 14:01:38 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010A 006/async self-test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The info below referred to the preliminary copy of the manual (ftp://ftp.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9010%20Series/9010_Fixture%20PDFs/9000A-006%20Async%20Probe1.pdf) I just now managed to acquire a copy of the final release of the manual and sure enough the stuff about "Set the data delay to 4" (which wasn't available in the software setup menu) is not in the final version and also all of the instructions about using a 33ohm shunt resistor have been removed. In it's place you need a square wave signal (either from a signal generator or a UUT clock between 1KHz and 10MHz and also a 5V active high voltage. I have a dozen or so manuals that I'm in the process of scanning in for the ftp archive. I'll add this one to the list. Tony On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > Hi. > > Has anyone else tried to perform the self-test for the 9010 async > module? It is documented on pages 2-13 and 2-14 of the Asynchronous > Signature Probe Option 9000A-006 Operation Manual: > (http://files.stardustarcade.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/PDFs/9000A-006%20Async%20Probe1.pdf) > > I'm using the archive of side-a of the tape from > ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9010%20Series/9010A%20Tapes/sig-a.h > (which I think came from Matt Rossiter - > http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2011/06/0008.html) > > I believe the hardware specific binaries are present and executing > however I'm unable to successfully pass self-test. I constantly get > 0000/255 rather than BB34/256. > > I interpreted steps 3, 4 and 5 below to mean that I could connect > green, yellow and the probe tip to one lead of the 33 ohm resistor and > connect red, blue, black and probe ground to the other lead (as that's > a lot easier than trying to hang everything off the tips). > > I'm also not seeing a "data delay" option in the 9010 setup menu so > I'm unable to set it to 4. > > Curious if anyone else gets the expected result? > > Thanks for your time > > Tony > > > instructions: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 3. Connect the start and clock (green and yellow) leads of the Clock > Module to the tip of the data probe. > 4. Connect the stop (red), enable (blue), and ground (black) leads to > the data probe ground lead. > 5. Connect a 33-ohm, 1/4-watt resistor across the group of connections > made in step 3 and the group of connections made in step 4. (The > resistor connects so that the data probe tip is shunted to the ground > lead.). > 7. For the Model 9020A, run the example program listed in Section 6, > paragraph 6-5. For the 9005A and 9010A, refer to Initialization of the > Signature Function and: > - Set the start signal to a rising edge > - Sect the clock signal to a falling edge > - Set the stop counter to 256 (The clock limit count provides an end > to the gate time in lieu of a stop signal.) > - Set the data transition (event) count to gated > - Set the enable signal to low > - Set the data delay to 4 > - Press the PULSE HIGH key on the Troubleshooter. > - Press the READ PROBE key, and the display reads > WAIT > followed by > SIGNATURE BB34 COUNT 256 > Any other signature or count indicates a problem with the Signature > Module, the Clock Module, or the Troubleshooter. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From joemagiera at ameritech.net Thu Aug 16 18:57:35 2018 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joe Magiera) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:57:35 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] RAM testers Message-ID: <00b501d435b4$863395a0$929ac0e0$@ameritech.net> Does anyone know of any RAM testers or other ways to test 4027 and 4015 RAM? The Bugtrap I use to test 4116 can't do them and NeoLoc's RAM tester can't do them either. A fair number of games use this RAM type. Joe (joemagiera at Ameritech dot net) joemagiera at ameritech.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jrr at flippers.com Thu Aug 16 19:53:44 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 16:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] RAM testers In-Reply-To: <00b501d435b4$863395a0$929ac0e0$@ameritech.net> References: <00b501d435b4$863395a0$929ac0e0$@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <1f2f610c-a006-b305-cebb-a76de9796e9b@flippers.com> Hi Joe, Why not make an adapter socket or add a switch (or two)? The difference between the 4027 and 4116 is pin 13 which is /CS and A6 respectively. Hopefully the Bugtrap test is not as extensive as Flukes RAM test which looks for stuck address lines such as the none functioning A6 on 4027 adapter. I can't find 4015 easily, but same applies to it... John :-#)# On 2018/08/16 3:57 PM, Joe Magiera wrote: > Does anyone know of any RAM testers or other ways to test 4027 and 4015 RAM? > The Bugtrap I use to test 4116 can't do them and NeoLoc's RAM tester can't > do them either. A fair number of games use this RAM type. > > > > Joe (joemagiera at Ameritech dot net) > > joemagiera at ameritech.net > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Thu Aug 16 20:35:14 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:35:14 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator Message-ID: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> Was digging through my Fluke paper and found my original printed copy for the file called Fluke_9XXX Series Status.xls (on /Fluke page) and buried in the list was Fluke part number 9100A-030 9010A TO 9100A PROGRAM TRANSLATOR. We have the book (PN877696) archived on TTL, but where is the software? Other items on this list are also of interest: 9100A-020 TEST LANGUAGE CHECKER (only have the flyer on TTL) 9100A-904 SOFTWARE UPGRADE/W/PRG'MRS KIT V6.1 (nothing) 9100A-904K INCREMENT UPGRADE KIT/PRG'MR DISK V4.2A (nothing) More stuff listed too, of use for 9100A aficionados to track down...I have asked Shy, haven't heard back yet. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From pieroandreini at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 05:14:14 2018 From: pieroandreini at gmail.com (Piero Andreini) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:14:14 +0200 Subject: [Techtoolslist] RAM testers In-Reply-To: <1f2f610c-a006-b305-cebb-a76de9796e9b@flippers.com> References: <00b501d435b4$863395a0$929ac0e0$@ameritech.net> <1f2f610c-a006-b305-cebb-a76de9796e9b@flippers.com> Message-ID: I made a usb programmer for Eprom 2708 and i started to implement even ram test for sever one but i never completed the work (addressing tests should be implemented). I can release the source code (assembler Microchip PIC 18F4550) if anyone wants to finish the test routines for these types of triple-power RAM. NeoLock made also a nice ram tester but only for single power supply. maybe possible to made adapter for triple-power RAM. Changes to be made to the firmware would be minimal, it contains already all the correct pattern and address test. Piero (pieroandreini at vodafone.it) > Il giorno 17 ago 2018, alle ore 01:53, John Robertson ha scritto: > > Hi Joe, > > Why not make an adapter socket or add a switch (or two)? The difference between the 4027 and 4116 is pin 13 which is /CS and A6 respectively. Hopefully the Bugtrap test is not as extensive as Flukes RAM test which looks for stuck address lines such as the none functioning A6 on 4027 adapter. > > I can't find 4015 easily, but same applies to it... > > John :-#)# > > On 2018/08/16 3:57 PM, Joe Magiera wrote: >> Does anyone know of any RAM testers or other ways to test 4027 and 4015 RAM? >> The Bugtrap I use to test 4116 can't do them and NeoLoc's RAM tester can't >> do them either. A fair number of games use this RAM type. >> >> >> Joe (joemagiera at Ameritech dot net) >> >> joemagiera at ameritech.net >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> > > -- > How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From tony at htbsusa.com Fri Aug 17 11:14:56 2018 From: tony at htbsusa.com (Tony htbs) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:14:56 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] RAM testers In-Reply-To: <00b501d435b4$863395a0$929ac0e0$@ameritech.net> References: <00b501d435b4$863395a0$929ac0e0$@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <027f01d4363d$0f2fc1c0$2d8f4540$@com> NeoLoch's new Inquisitor testing system The 4116 DRAM blade uses our custom designed testing algorithm to provide accurate and fast testing of the following DRAM types: 4116 / 9016 / D416 4027 / 4096. -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of Joe Magiera Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:58 PM To: 'Technical Tools Mail List' Subject: [Techtoolslist] RAM testers Does anyone know of any RAM testers or other ways to test 4027 and 4015 RAM? The Bugtrap I use to test 4116 can't do them and NeoLoc's RAM tester can't do them either. A fair number of games use this RAM type. Joe (joemagiera at Ameritech dot net) joemagiera at ameritech.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From ian at retrospec.tv Fri Aug 17 14:05:47 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator In-Reply-To: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> References: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> Message-ID: <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> John Robertson writes: > Was digging through my Fluke paper and found my original printed > copy > for the file called Fluke_9XXX Series Status.xls (on /Fluke > page) and > buried in the list was Fluke part number 9100A-030 9010A TO > 9100A > PROGRAM TRANSLATOR. We have the book (PN877696) archived on TTL, > but > where is the software? > I thought for sure I saw this on the FTP, but maybe it was just the manual, and the FTP site seems to be down so I can?t check. > Other items on this list are also of interest: > > 9100A-020 TEST LANGUAGE CHECKER (only have the flyer on TTL) > This is the DOS program which checks the syntax of your TL/1 programs. If you?re writing TL/1 code on a PC, it saves you the time downloading the code to the 9100 and checking the syntax there. This is on the FTP site, I think the name is TLC.EXE, but there isn?t an archival copy of the original disk. > 9100A-904 SOFTWARE UPGRADE/W/PRG'MRS KIT V6.1 (nothing) > This is the 6.1 upgrade kit for older mainframes with the programmer?s option, and consists of the 6.1 system disks and 6.1 programmer system disks. These are in the GitHub archive. > 9100A-904K INCREMENT UPGRADE KIT/PRG'MR DISK V4.2A (nothing) > This is either an upgrade to 4.2 with the programmer option, or a more expensive upgrade to 6.1 for machines running older software. They might have cut people a break on price if they were going 6.0->6.1, but charged more if it was 4.2->6.1. The description sounds more like it?s an upgrade to 4.2A, but it seems odd that it would have the same p/n as the 6.1 upgrade. I don?t have any programmer disks older than 6.0, and would be interested in getting some. -- Ian From jrr at flippers.com Fri Aug 17 14:32:50 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:32:50 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator In-Reply-To: <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> References: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: <684f82c2-54be-6f05-9550-c9ec42913b21@flippers.com> Hi Ian, The active ftp site is ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment , it is up for me. It is messy, and I hope whoever volunteered to tidy up the Fluke section will get in touch with me again. Hmm, a TLC.EXE file is tucked away here: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100_TLC_Program_For_IBM_PC/ Thanks for that info, I will hunt my piles of discs, and old backups to see what appears. I also have a number of hard drives from my 6 x 9100As that I have never attempted to archive, so I think that is a project for the near future, who knows what is on them cause I don't! What I was hoping was one of the other documents would go into detail on the modifications made to the motherboard that upgraded it to 1.44 floppies - you have to have version 5.0 of the ROM installed too. John :-#)# On 2018/08/17 11:05 AM, Ian Eure wrote: > John Robertson writes: > >> Was digging through my Fluke paper and found my original printed copy >> for the file called Fluke_9XXX Series Status.xls (on /Fluke page) and >> buried in the list was Fluke part number 9100A-030 9010A TO 9100A >> PROGRAM TRANSLATOR. We have the book (PN877696) archived on TTL, but >> where is the software? >> > I thought for sure I saw this on the FTP, but maybe it was just the > manual, and the FTP site seems to be down so I can?t check. > > >> Other items on this list are also of interest: >> >> 9100A-020 TEST LANGUAGE CHECKER (only have the flyer on TTL) >> > This is the DOS program which checks the syntax of your TL/1 > programs.? If you?re writing TL/1 code on a PC, it saves you the time > downloading the code to the 9100 and checking the syntax there. This > is on the FTP site, I think the name is TLC.EXE, but there isn?t an > archival copy of the original disk. > > >> 9100A-904 SOFTWARE UPGRADE/W/PRG'MRS KIT V6.1 (nothing) >> > This is the 6.1 upgrade kit for older mainframes with the programmer?s > option, and consists of the 6.1 system disks and 6.1 programmer system > disks.? These are in the GitHub archive. > > >> 9100A-904K INCREMENT UPGRADE KIT/PRG'MR DISK V4.2A (nothing) >> > This is either an upgrade to 4.2 with the programmer option, or a more > expensive upgrade to 6.1 for machines running older software. They > might have cut people a break on price if they were going 6.0->6.1, > but charged more if it was 4.2->6.1. > > The description sounds more like it?s an upgrade to 4.2A, but it seems > odd that it would have the same p/n as the 6.1 upgrade. > > I don?t have any programmer disks older than 6.0, and would be > interested in getting some. > > ?-- Ian > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Fri Aug 17 14:53:44 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator In-Reply-To: <684f82c2-54be-6f05-9550-c9ec42913b21@flippers.com> References: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> <684f82c2-54be-6f05-9550-c9ec42913b21@flippers.com> Message-ID: <87h8jsvn7r.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> John Robertson writes: > Hi Ian, > > The active ftp site is ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment , it > is up for me. It is messy, and I hope whoever volunteered to tidy up the > Fluke section will get in touch with me again. > Yep... It was timing out trying to connect eariler, but seems to be working now. > Hmm, a TLC.EXE file is tucked away here: > > ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100_TLC_Program_For_IBM_PC/ > > Thanks for that info, I will hunt my piles of discs, and old backups to > see what appears. I also have a number of hard drives from my 6 x 9100As > that I have never attempted to archive, so I think that is a project for > the near future, who knows what is on them cause I don't! > > What I was hoping was one of the other documents would go into detail on > the modifications made to the motherboard that upgraded it to 1.44 > floppies - you have to have version 5.0 of the ROM installed too. > Has anyone seen a 9100A with high density FDDs that operate in high density mode? I?ve seen UniSite programmers which had high density drives installed, but jumpered into DD mode so they?d work with the older controller on the mainboard. Looking at the schematics, it seems like the A and FT use nearly identical chipsets, and I see a DENS line wired up on the A, which would control or indicate the floppy density... So maybe it?s simply a matter of installing the 5.0 ROMs, 6.1 system, and a high density floppy drive. Probably easiest to start by swapping the disk from a FT into an A, setting the disk type with the service disk, and see what happens. -- Ian From jrr at flippers.com Fri Aug 17 15:55:58 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator In-Reply-To: <87h8jsvn7r.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> References: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> <684f82c2-54be-6f05-9550-c9ec42913b21@flippers.com> <87h8jsvn7r.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> Message-ID: <7ce9ec9f-f38b-45ae-5d30-202b98a6d817@flippers.com> On 2018/08/17 11:53 AM, Ian Eure wrote: > John Robertson writes: > >> Hi Ian, >> >> The active ftp site is ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment , it >> is up for me. It is messy, and I hope whoever volunteered to tidy up the >> Fluke section will get in touch with me again. >> > Yep... It was timing out trying to connect eariler, but seems to be > working now. > > >> Hmm, a TLC.EXE file is tucked away here: >> >> ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100_TLC_Program_For_IBM_PC/ >> >> Thanks for that info, I will hunt my piles of discs, and old backups to >> see what appears. I also have a number of hard drives from my 6 x 9100As >> that I have never attempted to archive, so I think that is a project for >> the near future, who knows what is on them cause I don't! >> >> What I was hoping was one of the other documents would go into detail on >> the modifications made to the motherboard that upgraded it to 1.44 >> floppies - you have to have version 5.0 of the ROM installed too. >> > Has anyone seen a 9100A with high density FDDs that operate in high > density mode? I?ve seen UniSite programmers which had high density > drives installed, but jumpered into DD mode so they?d work with the > older controller on the mainboard. > > Looking at the schematics, it seems like the A and FT use nearly > identical chipsets, and I see a DENS line wired up on the A, which > would control or indicate the floppy density... So maybe it?s simply a > matter of installing the 5.0 ROMs, 6.1 system, and a high density > floppy drive. If you have Revision G motherboard then I expect you have the 1.44 upgrade done. Look for a bunch of jumpers on the underside. If you want to update your MB to the G level allowing 1.44 Sony (?) floppies (& you need RV5.0 EPROM) then here are what I think are all the mods: 1) Cut traces @ W5, W6 and W7 2) Jumper W5 (connected to U27-P3) to U72-P9 (unused 7417 gate). 3) Jumper U72-P8 to W7 that connects to J14-P1 4) Jumper other side of W7 (ground) to W6 (side connected to J14-P4) 5) Jumper U27-P1 to U72-P5 (unused 7417 gate) 6) Jumper U72-P6 to J14-P16 (currently N/C) 7) Jumper W6 (connected to CHNG2 - J13-P1) to W5 (connected to J14-P2 - /SPARE) 8) for RV5.0 EPROM check that W2 is cut Photos: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/ I think that is all of them. I need to draw up the revised schematics, but no time! Will do that over the next day or two.. John :-#)# > > Probably easiest to start by swapping the disk from a FT into an A, > setting the disk type with the service disk, and see what happens. > > -- Ian > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Fri Aug 17 21:21:20 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:21:20 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HDR-FLOP.TD0 Message-ID: I am still hunting through my floppy images on TTL and this file - zipped as: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/HDR-FLOP_TTL%20Library_Of_Some_Sort.zip appears to be part of a guided fault UUT development program, I don't have a working floppy yet so can't import it into one of my 9100s, but the text in it is interesting: DESCRIPTION: This program places the pod in Quick Looping read mode at... DESCRIPTION: This program places the pod in Quick Looping write mode,... FAULTS: test_aborted Please note the code below or refer to Supplementary ! From matt at rossiters.com Fri Aug 17 19:04:47 2018 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matthew Rossiter) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010A 006/async self-test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22de3ec5-3dca-dfda-a078-9833ae9f0a69@rossiters.com> That's awesome.? I'll have to try out the test once I get the chance.? Good work! Matt On 8/16/2018 11:01 AM, Tony Jones via Techtoolslist wrote: > The info below referred to the preliminary copy of the manual > (ftp://ftp.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9010%20Series/9010_Fixture%20PDFs/9000A-006%20Async%20Probe1.pdf) > > I just now managed to acquire a copy of the final release of the > manual and sure enough the stuff about "Set the data delay to 4" > (which wasn't available in the software setup menu) is not in the > final version and also all of the instructions about using a 33ohm > shunt resistor have been removed. In it's place you need a square > wave signal (either from a signal generator or a UUT clock between > 1KHz and 10MHz and also a 5V active high voltage. > > I have a dozen or so manuals that I'm in the process of scanning in > for the ftp archive. I'll add this one to the list. > > Tony > > On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Has anyone else tried to perform the self-test for the 9010 async >> module? It is documented on pages 2-13 and 2-14 of the Asynchronous >> Signature Probe Option 9000A-006 Operation Manual: >> (http://files.stardustarcade.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/PDFs/9000A-006%20Async%20Probe1.pdf) >> >> I'm using the archive of side-a of the tape from >> ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9010%20Series/9010A%20Tapes/sig-a.h >> (which I think came from Matt Rossiter - >> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2011/06/0008.html) >> >> I believe the hardware specific binaries are present and executing >> however I'm unable to successfully pass self-test. I constantly get >> 0000/255 rather than BB34/256. >> >> I interpreted steps 3, 4 and 5 below to mean that I could connect >> green, yellow and the probe tip to one lead of the 33 ohm resistor and >> connect red, blue, black and probe ground to the other lead (as that's >> a lot easier than trying to hang everything off the tips). >> >> I'm also not seeing a "data delay" option in the 9010 setup menu so >> I'm unable to set it to 4. >> >> Curious if anyone else gets the expected result? >> >> Thanks for your time >> >> Tony >> >> >> instructions: >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 3. Connect the start and clock (green and yellow) leads of the Clock >> Module to the tip of the data probe. >> 4. Connect the stop (red), enable (blue), and ground (black) leads to >> the data probe ground lead. >> 5. Connect a 33-ohm, 1/4-watt resistor across the group of connections >> made in step 3 and the group of connections made in step 4. (The >> resistor connects so that the data probe tip is shunted to the ground >> lead.). >> 7. For the Model 9020A, run the example program listed in Section 6, >> paragraph 6-5. For the 9005A and 9010A, refer to Initialization of the >> Signature Function and: >> - Set the start signal to a rising edge >> - Sect the clock signal to a falling edge >> - Set the stop counter to 256 (The clock limit count provides an end >> to the gate time in lieu of a stop signal.) >> - Set the data transition (event) count to gated >> - Set the enable signal to low >> - Set the data delay to 4 >> - Press the PULSE HIGH key on the Troubleshooter. >> - Press the READ PROBE key, and the display reads >> WAIT >> followed by >> SIGNATURE BB34 COUNT 256 >> Any other signature or count indicates a problem with the Signature >> Module, the Clock Module, or the Troubleshooter. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jrr at flippers.com Sat Aug 18 17:23:30 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:23:30 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100FT U36 NVRAM archive? Message-ID: <9f11b44d-b887-3c82-ee6e-0fbe62ff2969@flippers.com> Has anyone backed up their NVRAM XC1765 U36 on a 9100FT? Mine appears to have been corrupted and my 9100FT won't boot with it. Mine is labeled "U36 V1.0", 8-pin device. No PDFs online that are easily found with standard search, need to dig out my old Xilinx book. I have uploaded it: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100base/9100FT_U36_XC1765_V1-0-may-be-corrupt.zip The zipped previously marked as U36 archive on TTL in the same directory was incorrectly labeled, it was actually the EPROM U26, not the NVRAM U36. I have fixed the file name and text message inside. Thanks, John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Sat Aug 18 17:28:52 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:28:52 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100FT U36 NVRAM archive? In-Reply-To: <9f11b44d-b887-3c82-ee6e-0fbe62ff2969@flippers.com> References: <9f11b44d-b887-3c82-ee6e-0fbe62ff2969@flippers.com> Message-ID: <65B6D15F-BE03-4EA5-8EAB-15CBCAA322C6@retrospec.tv> On August 18, 2018 2:23:30 PM PDT, John Robertson wrote: >Has anyone backed up their NVRAM XC1765 U36 on a 9100FT? Mine appears >to >have been corrupted and my 9100FT won't boot with it. Mine is labeled >"U36 V1.0", 8-pin device. No PDFs online that are easily found with >standard search, need to dig out my old Xilinx book. > >I have uploaded it: > >ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100base/9100FT_U36_XC1765_V1-0-may-be-corrupt.zip > >The zipped previously marked as U36 archive on TTL in the same >directory >was incorrectly labeled, it was actually the EPROM U26, not the NVRAM >U36. I have fixed the file name and text message inside. > >Thanks, > >John :-#)# > >-- >How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ I will try dumping mine early next week, unless someone gets to it before me. From jrr at flippers.com Sat Aug 18 20:19:41 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:19:41 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100FT U36 NVRAM archive - YES In-Reply-To: <65B6D15F-BE03-4EA5-8EAB-15CBCAA322C6@retrospec.tv> References: <9f11b44d-b887-3c82-ee6e-0fbe62ff2969@flippers.com> <65B6D15F-BE03-4EA5-8EAB-15CBCAA322C6@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: On 2018/08/18 2:28 PM, Ian Eure wrote: > On August 18, 2018 2:23:30 PM PDT, John Robertson > wrote: > > Has anyone backed up their NVRAM XC1765 U36 on a 9100FT? Mine appears to > have been corrupted and my 9100FT won't boot with it. Mine is labeled > "U36 V1.0", 8-pin device. No PDFs online that are easily found with > standard search, need to dig out my old Xilinx book. > > I have uploaded it: (not corrupt - renamed) > > ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100base/9100FT_U36_XC1765_V1-0.zip > > The zipped previously marked as U36 archive on TTL in the same directory > was incorrectly labeled, it was actually the EPROM U26, not the NVRAM > U36. I have fixed the file name and text message inside. > > Thanks, > > John :-#)# > > > I will try dumping mine early next week, unless someone gets to it > before me. False alarm Turns out it was something else that stopped the boot process. My NVRAM appears to be valid after all. I will update the file name on TTL. Also, the SCSI2SD Rv5 does not work on the FT, the RV3 does, as does the Aztec Monster. Not sure why, RV3 has the same SD card as the RV5 I tried, but the 5 just locked up the machine. Worked once or twice, but mostly locked up when it gets to the load the operating system. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Sun Aug 19 02:33:02 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 23:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator In-Reply-To: <7ce9ec9f-f38b-45ae-5d30-202b98a6d817@flippers.com> References: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> <684f82c2-54be-6f05-9550-c9ec42913b21@flippers.com> <87h8jsvn7r.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> <7ce9ec9f-f38b-45ae-5d30-202b98a6d817@flippers.com> Message-ID: <75ee2ea8-660a-9065-6145-9e03c202569f@flippers.com> On 2018/08/17 12:55 PM, John Robertson wrote: > On 2018/08/17 11:53 AM, Ian Eure wrote: >> John Robertson writes: >> >>> Hi Ian, >>> >>> The active ftp site is ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment , it >>> is up for me. It is messy, and I hope whoever volunteered to tidy up >>> the >>> Fluke section will get in touch with me again. >>> >> Yep... It was timing out trying to connect eariler, but seems to be >> working now. >> >> >>> Hmm, a TLC.EXE file is tucked away here: >>> >>> ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100_TLC_Program_For_IBM_PC/ >>> >>> >>> Thanks for that info, I will hunt my piles of discs, and old backups to >>> see what appears. I also have a number of hard drives from my 6 x >>> 9100As >>> that I have never attempted to archive, so I think that is a project >>> for >>> the near future, who knows what is on them cause I don't! >>> >>> What I was hoping was one of the other documents would go into >>> detail on >>> the modifications made to the motherboard that upgraded it to 1.44 >>> floppies - you have to have version 5.0 of the ROM installed too. >>> >> Has anyone seen a 9100A with high density FDDs that operate in high >> density mode?? I?ve seen UniSite programmers which had high density >> drives installed, but jumpered into DD mode so they?d work with the >> older controller on the mainboard. >> >> Looking at the schematics, it seems like the A and FT use nearly >> identical chipsets, and I see a DENS line wired up on the A, which >> would control or indicate the floppy density... So maybe it?s simply a >> matter of installing the 5.0 ROMs, 6.1 system, and a high density >> floppy drive. > If you have Revision G motherboard then I expect you have the 1.44 > upgrade done. Look for a bunch of jumpers on the underside. > > If you want to update your MB to the G level allowing 1.44 Sony (?) > floppies (& you need RV5.0 EPROM) then here are what I think are all > the mods: > > 1) Cut traces @ W5, W6 and W7 > 2) Jumper W5 (connected to U27-P3) to U72-P9 (unused 7417 gate). > 3) Jumper U72-P8 to W7 that connects to J14-P1 > 4) Jumper other side of W7 (ground) to W6 (side connected to J14-P4) > 5) Jumper U27-P1 to U72-P5 (unused 7417 gate) > 6) Jumper U72-P6 to J14-P16 (currently N/C) > 7) Jumper W6 (connected to CHNG2 - J13-P1) to W5 (connected to J14-P2 > - /SPARE) > 8) for RV5.0 EPROM check that W2 is cut > > Photos: > > ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/ > > I think that is all of them. I need to draw up the revised schematics, > but no time! Will do that over the next day or two.. > > John :-#)# I have found a problem with the above Revision G (with Rev 5.0 EPROMs) upgrade. Even though it appears to be identical to the 9100FT Floppy drive wiring I am having trouble with drives run on the 9100A using the same disk drive as I am using on the 9100FT. Part of the problem comes because Fluke MODIFIED the floppy drives from stock. My Sony MP-F17W=L5 3-1/2" drive has some work done on the trace from pin 10 as well as a jumper from the Disk Loaded Switch (disk present switch - second one in - beside 1.44 switch) which is added to pin to pin 14. I have tried to copy this to a different Sony MP-17W-50C floppy but the boards are different, so without schematics (or pulling the board apart) it is difficult to figure out what is being changed. Thus, at the moment, I do NOT recommend upgrading your motherboard until I figure out (or someone else) what mods are needed to the floppies. As for is this a waste of time with emulators now available? There are any number of companies still running 9100s and they still have floppy backups and thus need to be able to read their disc and then convert to emulators. On a further note, the Canon MD360 (I think that is the number, not at shop) drive works on my 9100FT in both the regular Canon option as well as the Cannon (sic) HD option. When you enabled the HD option the drive asks you if you want to format in regular or high density mode. I do not have enough info on the MD360 to know if it was HD or not. I suspect not as I can't format anything to HD... John :-#)# >> >> Probably easiest to start by swapping the disk from a FT into an A, >> setting the disk type with the service disk, and see what happens. >> >> ?? -- Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From tony at tonyjones.com Sun Aug 19 11:00:57 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010A to 9100A Program Translator In-Reply-To: <75ee2ea8-660a-9065-6145-9e03c202569f@flippers.com> References: <7faa3869-99ef-c552-290b-6808f7101f67@flippers.com> <87lg9450n8.fsf@retrospec.tv> <684f82c2-54be-6f05-9550-c9ec42913b21@flippers.com> <87h8jsvn7r.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> <7ce9ec9f-f38b-45ae-5d30-202b98a6d817@flippers.com> <75ee2ea8-660a-9065-6145-9e03c202569f@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 11:33 PM John Robertson wrote: > > There are > any number of companies still running 9100s and they still have floppy > backups and thus need to be able to read their disc and then convert to > emulators. > The Fluke (and whatever brand of floppy drive is installed into it) would never be involved in any such conversion. > From ian at retrospec.tv Mon Aug 20 01:18:09 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HDR-FLOP.TD0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87efetaa5q.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> John Robertson writes: > I am still hunting through my floppy images on TTL and this file - > zipped as: > > ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/HDR-FLOP_TTL%20Library_Of_Some_Sort.zip > > appears to be part of a guided fault UUT development program, I don't > have a working floppy yet so can't import it into one of my 9100s, but > the text in it is interesting: > > DESCRIPTION: This program places the pod in Quick Looping read mode at... > > DESCRIPTION: This program places the pod in Quick Looping write mode,... > > FAULTS: test_aborted Please note the code below or refer to Supplementary > I recall looking at these disks a while back and concluding that they weren?t useful. Most of the parts are copied from the stock PARTLIB that ships with the Fluke system software. I recall seeing a handful which someone defined, but none I cared about. The messages you quote are part of the PODLIB programs which come with the Fluke system software. The last one is telling you to look at the Supplementary Pod Information manual. -- Ian From ian at retrospec.tv Mon Aug 20 01:29:44 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:29:44 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Recommend add a fuse upgrade for Fluke 9100 series In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87d0uda9mf.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> John Robertson writes: > I am now on the hunt for the small switching transformer on one of my > 9100s as the original was cooked. Unfortunately it was not fused by > Fluke and I am not sure where I am going to find this sucker. It is T1 > and is called Transformer, Converter 775932 (manufacturers #89536) in > parts listing. > 89536 is the manufacturer code for Fluke. Many parts in the 9100A service manual are listed this way, even if Fluke wasn?t the actual manufacturer. > Shy (@ Navatek) hasn't seen one before but is still checking... > > This is a multi-winding sucker and provides the isolated voltages for > the serial ports as well as the 70V for the display. Years ago I had a > secondary cap (C101) short on this transformer and it let the magic > smoke out. I had set it aside and forgotten, but now I am restoring a > few 9100s and dug this out and found the smoked Xformer. > > In the meantime I have modified all my 9100s lifting the furthest leg of > inductor L2 (10uH) away from the power connector J15 and then add a GMA > fuse holder in series from raised leg and the PCB. I find a 300ma fuse > works just fine. Which is interesting as Fluke put a 1A fuse in the 70V > output to the display...obviously overkill! > The fuse on the 70V line is supposed to be .125A, not 1A. Maybe the original popped and someone put the 1A part in, and that?s why your transformer is wrecked. -- Ian From jrr at flippers.com Mon Aug 20 17:29:59 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Recommend add a fuse upgrade for Fluke 9100 series In-Reply-To: <87d0uda9mf.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> References: <87d0uda9mf.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> Message-ID: <1ae122f7-5c11-3d86-0cab-87712ef4a2ef@flippers.com> On 2018/08/19 10:29 PM, Ian Eure wrote: > John Robertson writes: > >> I am now on the hunt for the small switching transformer on one of my >> 9100s as the original was cooked. Unfortunately it was not fused by >> Fluke and I am not sure where I am going to find this sucker. It is T1 >> and is called Transformer, Converter 775932 (manufacturers #89536) in >> parts listing. >> > 89536 is the manufacturer code for Fluke. Many parts in the 9100A > service manual are listed this way, even if Fluke wasn?t the actual > manufacturer. > > >> Shy (@ Navatek) hasn't seen one before but is still checking... >> >> This is a multi-winding sucker and provides the isolated voltages for >> the serial ports as well as the 70V for the display. Years ago I had a >> secondary cap (C101) short on this transformer and it let the magic >> smoke out. I had set it aside and forgotten, but now I am restoring a >> few 9100s and dug this out and found the smoked Xformer. >> >> In the meantime I have modified all my 9100s lifting the furthest leg of >> inductor L2 (10uH) away from the power connector J15 and then add a GMA >> fuse holder in series from raised leg and the PCB. I find a 300ma fuse >> works just fine. Which is interesting as Fluke put a 1A fuse in the 70V >> output to the display...obviously overkill! >> > The fuse on the 70V line is supposed to be .125A, not 1A. Maybe the > original popped and someone put the 1A part in, and that?s why your > transformer is wrecked. > > -- Ian > It wasn't a 70VDC line issue, rather tantalum capacitor C101 shorted out, taking the Xformer as that cap was on the -12VDC output...hence my recommendation to add a 300MA fuse to the Xformer input at L2. Tantalums have a bad habit of shorting... Check schematics in Service manual, page 7-5 9100A-1001 (3 of 4), there are several that would take the Xformer if/when they short out. Thanks for the reminder about the 0.125A fuse for the display, I should have noticed that as it is clearly labeled on the schematic. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Thu Aug 23 18:52:49 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:52:49 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] How to enable EDITOR on 9100s? Message-ID: <451085d8-13f1-69e3-3cb2-bd8d007bdf67@flippers.com> I am obviously overlooking something obvious, but how does one enable the EDITOR on a 9100 that is running 6.1 and has the video card installed? I tried using the service 6.0, but EDITOR does not appear to be an option. What is particularly annoying is I had editor on a 9100 which did not have the video card and when I pressed EDIT it would lock up. I then did some software tweak that removed EDITOR as an option, but I can't find that option again! I feel like an idiot, but I'm hoping someone will take pity no me and say the magic words (RTFM I suspect!) to fix this idiotic problem. Thanks! John :-#(# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Thu Aug 23 20:28:16 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] How to enable EDITOR on 9100s? In-Reply-To: <451085d8-13f1-69e3-3cb2-bd8d007bdf67@flippers.com> References: <451085d8-13f1-69e3-3cb2-bd8d007bdf67@flippers.com> Message-ID: <87r2ioy5en.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> John Robertson writes: > I am obviously overlooking something obvious, but how does one > enable > the EDITOR on a 9100 that is running 6.1 and has the video card > installed? I tried using the service 6.0, but EDITOR does not > appear to > be an option. > > What is particularly annoying is I had editor on a 9100 which > did not > have the video card and when I pressed EDIT it would lock up. I > then did > some software tweak that removed EDITOR as an option, but I > can't find > that option again! > > I feel like an idiot, but I'm hoping someone will take pity no > me and > say the magic words (RTFM I suspect!) to fix this idiotic > problem. > I?ve been tripped up by this before as well. It?s buried in the menu system of the OS, you don?t need the service disk. Press the SETUP MENU key, then right arrow, SOFT KEYS to see more labels, F5 to select ON BOOT. You can enable or disable EDITOR and the IEEE-488 interface from that menu. Then back to the root and SAVE SYSTEM SETTINGS IN USERDISK, and reset. -- Ian From jrr at flippers.com Thu Aug 23 20:36:32 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:36:32 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] How to enable EDITOR on 9100s? In-Reply-To: <87r2ioy5en.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> References: <451085d8-13f1-69e3-3cb2-bd8d007bdf67@flippers.com> <87r2ioy5en.fsf@alpha.earth.atomized.org> Message-ID: On 2018/08/23 5:28 PM, Ian Eure wrote: > John Robertson writes: > >> I am obviously overlooking something obvious, but how does one enable >> the EDITOR on a 9100 that is running 6.1 and has the video card >> installed? I tried using the service 6.0, but EDITOR does not appear to >> be an option. >> >> What is particularly annoying is I had editor on a 9100 which did not >> have the video card and when I pressed EDIT it would lock up. I then did >> some software tweak that removed EDITOR as an option, but I can't find >> that option again! >> >> I feel like an idiot, but I'm hoping someone will take pity no me and >> say the magic words (RTFM I suspect!) to fix this idiotic problem. >> > I?ve been tripped up by this before as well.? It?s buried in the menu > system of the OS, you don?t need the service disk. > > Press the SETUP MENU key, then right arrow, SOFT KEYS to see more > labels, F5 to select ON BOOT.? You can enable or disable EDITOR and > the IEEE-488 interface from that menu.? Then back to the root and SAVE > SYSTEM SETTINGS IN USERDISK, and reset. > > ?-- Ian > Thanks Ian, that was exactly correct. Editor 6.1 is now installed during the boot. When I have time I will build a menu tree for 6.1, I should have some free around 2040... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Fri Aug 24 15:55:40 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 12:55:40 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100s and Floppy drives updates Message-ID: Shy send me a document he had on replacing a floppy drive on the 9100s. It does appear that I was slightly incorrect where I thought Fluke made several changes to a drive to enable it to work, rather it appears there is one modification and that is for the Sony F17 series where you add a jumper wire from the Disk Detect switch to pin 14 of the CN101 connector (for DR1) and other than setting the drive to D0 that is all. ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Floppy_Drive_PDFs/Fluke_Floppy_Replacement_Instructions_848283.pdf My modification table previously listed appears to be valid for upgrading a 9100A to revision G. If you have Revision G motherboard then I expect you have the 1.44 upgrade done look for a bunch of jumpers on the underside to see if your board is already upgraded, but then it should say Rv F or G if factory done... Finding working floppies is still problematic, SONY drives in the F17 series should work with the added jumper assuming the drive is good. I suggest you first try the SONY F17 drive setting and if not then the CANNON HD using Service Disc 6.0, after upgrading the EPROMs to RV5.0/40MB. If you want to update your MB to the G level allowing 1.44 Sony (?) floppies (& you need RV5.0 EPROM) then here are what I think are all the mods: 1) Cut traces @ W5, W6 and W7 2) Jumper W5 (connected to U27-P3) to U72-P9 (unused 7417 gate). 3) Jumper U72-P8 to W7 that connects to J14-P1 4) Jumper other side of W7 (ground) to W6 (side connected to J14-P4) 5) Jumper U27-P1 to U72-P5 (unused 7417 gate) 6) Jumper U72-P6 to J14-P16 (currently N/C) 7) Jumper W6 (connected to CHNG2 - J13-P1) to W5 (connected to J14-P2 - /SPARE) 8) for RV5.0 EPROM check that W2 is cut (40 Meg upgrade ROMs) ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org//home/mirrors/flippers/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/System_DiscsRV6/9100-V5-ROMs_40_Meg_upgrade.zip Photos: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/Photos/ Hope this helps others, saved me a bunch of time! John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Tue Sep 4 23:42:42 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 20:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] For the Fluke Z8000 Pod - making interface PCB for Z8002 CPU Message-ID: <3f07f71c-a9fb-9c31-6dbe-001176910d9f@flippers.com> I have a Z8000 pod and am in the process of making a PCB for the Z8001 test socket on it so I can test Z8002 (Pole Position of course) logic. The PCB is to adapt the Z8002 CPU to the Z8001 test socket. I will likely be making two or three of these (minimum quantity) so if anyone is interested in one for their Z8000 pod please let me know - @ cost plus postage. I plan on having the PCBs run off either later this week or next. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Wed Sep 5 00:00:41 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 21:00:41 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] For the Fluke Z8000 Pod - making interface PCB for Z8002 CPU In-Reply-To: <3f07f71c-a9fb-9c31-6dbe-001176910d9f@flippers.com> References: <3f07f71c-a9fb-9c31-6dbe-001176910d9f@flippers.com> Message-ID: <85152c5e-df2c-72e8-923d-9c9dd255564b@flippers.com> On 2018/09/04 8:42 PM, John Robertson wrote: > I have a Z8000 pod and am in the process of making a PCB for the Z8001 > test socket on it so I can test Z8002 (Pole Position of course) logic. > The PCB is to adapt the Z8002 CPU to the Z8001 test socket. > > I will likely be making two or three of these (minimum quantity) so if > anyone is interested in one for their Z8000 pod please let me know - @ > cost plus postage. I plan on having the PCBs run off either later this > week or next. > > John :-#)# > Right, just remembered that I need two of these, one to load the Z8002 in the Z8001 socket on the Z8000 pod, and a second to take the 48 pin cable's UUT Z8001 plug and convert that to the 40 pin Z8002 socket on the PP board. So, will be making these in pairs. Anyone else interested in a pair? John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Wed Sep 5 02:11:57 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:11:57 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] For the Fluke Z8000 Pod - making interface PCB for Z8002 CPU In-Reply-To: <85152c5e-df2c-72e8-923d-9c9dd255564b@flippers.com> References: <3f07f71c-a9fb-9c31-6dbe-001176910d9f@flippers.com> <85152c5e-df2c-72e8-923d-9c9dd255564b@flippers.com> Message-ID: <8DC24CBD-2E14-4644-A357-BF92BF3FCAC8@retrospec.tv> On September 4, 2018 9:00:41 PM PDT, John Robertson wrote: >On 2018/09/04 8:42 PM, John Robertson wrote: >> I have a Z8000 pod and am in the process of making a PCB for the >Z8001 >> test socket on it so I can test Z8002 (Pole Position of course) >logic. >> The PCB is to adapt the Z8002 CPU to the Z8001 test socket. >> >> I will likely be making two or three of these (minimum quantity) so >if >> anyone is interested in one for their Z8000 pod please let me know - >@ >> cost plus postage. I plan on having the PCBs run off either later >this >> week or next. >> >> John :-#)# >> >Right, just remembered that I need two of these, one to load the Z8002 >in the Z8001 socket on the Z8000 pod, and a second to take the 48 pin >cable's UUT Z8001 plug and convert that to the 40 pin Z8002 socket on >the PP board. > >So, will be making these in pairs. Anyone else interested in a pair? > >John :-#)# > >-- >How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Count me in... If it comes with a Z8000 pod to use it with. From jrr at flippers.com Wed Sep 5 18:16:31 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:16:31 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A Message-ID: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> Anyone thought about speeding up the 9100A? I recall folks speeding up Macs back in the 80s using 68030s like this story back in 1990: ---------(quote)---------------- http://matsp888.no-ip.org/~mats/Text/Computer/Atari/Atari%20ST/Magazines/Z-Net/znet0515.txt SMALL DEBUTS 68030 BOARD, NETWORKING Dave Small premiered his 68030 adapter board and an APPLETALK network adapter at the Disneyland WOA. The 68030 is "still and experiment" which may or may not ever see commercial production. The first version, just up and running before the show, offers a four-fold speed increase over a standard ST/MEGA. The potential remains for tuning and redesigning the system to yield a theoretical tenfold available increase. The board would go in any existing ST, and might result in a faster machine than the Atari TT itself, although TT specific programs would not likely be accessable by Small's system. The TT is expected to run at about 5 times the ST speed on ST applications. The other surprize for GADGETS is a network adaptor that is almost ready for marketing. Although the perilous FCC approval process lies ahead, the APPLETALK compatible card will attach internally to the MEGA buss and will provide an extra pair of serial ports to any MEGA. They may be addressed as standard serial ports (allowing multiple modem sessions at once, for instance), and in SPECTRE MACINTOSH mode, will allow instant access to MAC peripherals and networks. A price was not announced. Later versions may include a unit compatible with ST and future STE/MEGA STE computers. -----------(end quote)--------- I'm thinking it might be possible to push the 9100 up by 4X would be a nice improvement. There was a company - Total Systems - making accelerators back in '91: https://archive.org/stream/TNM_68020-68030-68040_accelerator_family_Macintos_20171214_0077#page/n0/mode/1up It appears that the 68030 was the last CPU that had the same instructions as the 68000, if you go higher then software needs to be added to get around some missing instructions: https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/43640-and-daystar-68060-accelerators/ -----------(quote)-------------- The 68040 didn't include all the functionality of a 68030+68882, either. (In particular, the 68040's FPU is missing hardware support for IEEE transcendental functions.) The differences are papered over by trapping the missing instructions and emulating them in software. The same thing can be done to make a 68060 compatible with the 68040, but doing so by a third-party accelerator vendor would of been "tricky" because Apple wouldn't have written the software for them, like they did for the 68040 when the Quadra was introduced. -----------(end quote)----------- ?What ever happened to Total Systems? John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From cyberbarter at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 19:37:19 2018 From: cyberbarter at gmail.com (Bob Economaki) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:37:19 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a and Agilent 1670G PCB Offering Message-ID: While working on Apple 1's, I had the need to simultaneously connect a Fluke 9010a 6502 POD and an Agilent 1670G Logic Analyzer to the Apple 1 6502 socket for testing and analysis purposes. I was not satisfied with all of the (~40) Agilent flying leads required and wanted a more elegant/stable solution. I developed a PCB solution that allows you via a ZIF socket, to either use the native 6502 CPU or connect the Fluke 9010a 6502 Pod and an Agilent 1670G LA. This works fine for my requirement and I see no reason why it wont work on other 6502 based systems. I developed this in Eagle and had 10 PCB's manufactured. I have some un-populated spares if anyone is interested priced at $50 each. Pictures can be downloaded here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/3eae86vp8ges1cz/AGilent%20Fluke%20PCB%20v1.zip?dl=0 Let me know if there is any interest. Bob Economaki From ki4swy at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 21:19:03 2018 From: ki4swy at gmail.com (William Stillwell) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 21:19:03 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a and Agilent 1670G PCB Offering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How much different is it compared to Mark's? http://cambridgearcade.dyndns.org/?q=node/105 Your being zif based sounds way better :) On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:37 PM Bob Economaki wrote: > While working on Apple 1's, I had the need to simultaneously connect a > Fluke 9010a 6502 POD and an Agilent 1670G Logic Analyzer to the Apple 1 > 6502 socket for testing and analysis purposes. > I was not satisfied with all of the (~40) Agilent flying leads required and > wanted a more elegant/stable solution. I developed a PCB solution that > allows you via a ZIF socket, to either use the native 6502 CPU or connect > the Fluke 9010a 6502 Pod and an Agilent 1670G LA. This works fine for my > requirement and I see no reason why it wont work on other 6502 based > systems. > > I developed this in Eagle and had 10 PCB's manufactured. I have some > un-populated spares if anyone is interested priced at $50 each. > > Pictures can be downloaded here. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/3eae86vp8ges1cz/AGilent%20Fluke%20PCB%20v1.zip?dl=0 > > Let me know if there is any interest. > > Bob Economaki > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From tony at tonyjones.com Wed Sep 5 21:30:26 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:30:26 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 3:16 PM John Robertson wrote: > Anyone thought about speeding up the 9100A? I recall folks speeding up > Macs back in the 80s using 68030s like this story back in 1990: > There is a prior thread on this. On the TTL or Vector List. I remember stumbling upon it and thinking it was interesting but I'm damned if I can find it now Googling. > From jrr at flippers.com Wed Sep 5 21:46:24 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 18:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> Message-ID: <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> On 2018/09/05 6:30 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 3:16 PM John Robertson wrote: > >> Anyone thought about speeding up the 9100A? I recall folks speeding up >> Macs back in the 80s using 68030s like this story back in 1990: >> > There is a prior thread on this. On the TTL or Vector List. I remember > stumbling upon it and thinking it was interesting but I'm damned if I can > find it now Googling. > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > Right you are, started by me - you would think I would remember! Back in Dec, 2015 and previously in June 2013 subject "Speeding up the 9100" but it didn't go anywhere then... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From cyberbarter at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 21:52:08 2018 From: cyberbarter at gmail.com (Bob Economaki) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 20:52:08 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a and Agilent 1670G PCB Offering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04f7cc8f-ebe3-e877-2b76-cf8a09a5b44a@gmail.com> Hi William I was tried several times to purchase Mark's in Dec. 2017 but I never got a response back from him so I designed my own. Mark used some S.I.P. compensation networks for the Agilent POD termination.? You can see these in Mark's photo. I could not source? what Mark was using so I used an inline Agilent module seen in my pics. There were plenty available on eBay. I went with the added expense of a ZIF socket & ZIF receptacle for two reasons. 1) I did not want to wear out the 40 pin socket on the Apple 1 motherboard from inserting/removing the 6502 CPU or fluke 6502 pod. 2) The addition of the ZIF receptacle allowed for my PCB to have clearance from the existing Apple 1 motherboard components and to use some flying leads if needed. BobE On 9/5/2018 8:19 PM, William Stillwell wrote: > How much different is it compared to Mark's? > > http://cambridgearcade.dyndns.org/?q=node/105 > > Your being zif based sounds way better :) > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:37 PM Bob Economaki wrote: > >> While working on Apple 1's, I had the need to simultaneously connect a >> Fluke 9010a 6502 POD and an Agilent 1670G Logic Analyzer to the Apple 1 >> 6502 socket for testing and analysis purposes. >> I was not satisfied with all of the (~40) Agilent flying leads required and >> wanted a more elegant/stable solution. I developed a PCB solution that >> allows you via a ZIF socket, to either use the native 6502 CPU or connect >> the Fluke 9010a 6502 Pod and an Agilent 1670G LA. This works fine for my >> requirement and I see no reason why it wont work on other 6502 based >> systems. >> >> I developed this in Eagle and had 10 PCB's manufactured. I have some >> un-populated spares if anyone is interested priced at $50 each. >> >> Pictures can be downloaded here. >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3eae86vp8ges1cz/AGilent%20Fluke%20PCB%20v1.zip?dl=0 >> >> Let me know if there is any interest. >> >> Bob Economaki >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From tony at tonyjones.com Wed Sep 5 22:00:32 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 19:00:32 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 6:46 PM John Robertson wrote: > On 2018/09/05 6:30 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > > but it didn't go anywhere then... > Was the PAK-68/3-030 info not of interest? From jrr at flippers.com Thu Sep 6 01:04:52 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 22:04:52 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> Message-ID: <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> On 2018/09/05 7:00 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 6:46 PM John Robertson wrote: > >> On 2018/09/05 6:30 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >>> but it didn't go anywhere then... > Was the PAK-68/3-030 info not of interest? > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > Hi Tony, Yes, it was of interest to me, but I had other projects on the go and simply forgot about it - so thanks for the reminder! The problem for me was time and experience - I had little of either in this area and so was hoping to get someone interested (back in 2015) who would work with me to see about adapting the PAK68 project to the 9100. There is that extra expansion slot which is used for the test card, and so I expect one could use it for installing the PAK-68 or an adaption of it. I guess I just have to set it on the side of the desk and look at it from time to time to see if I can figure out how to do the conversion... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From tony at tonyjones.com Thu Sep 6 01:33:31 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 22:33:31 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:04 PM, John Robertson wrote: > There is that extra expansion slot which is used for the test card, and so I > expect one could use it for installing the PAK-68 or an adaption of it. I had the same thought. I'm assuming the test-card (if you ever find the instructions) plugs into J4 and some form of cpu accelerator could do the same. Sounds like a fun project. I thought I'd read (somewhere) that Fluke designed an Ethernet card which was intended to plug into J4 but it's a very vague recollection. From ian at retrospec.tv Thu Sep 6 01:38:32 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 22:38:32 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> Message-ID: <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> On September 5, 2018 10:33:31 PM PDT, Tony Jones via Techtoolslist wrote: >On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:04 PM, John Robertson >wrote: > >> There is that extra expansion slot which is used for the test card, >and so I >> expect one could use it for installing the PAK-68 or an adaption of >it. > >I had the same thought. I'm assuming the test-card (if you ever find >the instructions) plugs into J4 and some form of cpu accelerator could >do the same. Sounds like a fun project. I thought I'd read >(somewhere) that Fluke designed an Ethernet card which was intended to >plug into J4 but it's a very vague recollection. >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ I remember this thread as well. http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/2015q1/002053.html Never heard anything else about it. From jrr at flippers.com Thu Sep 6 02:05:32 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 23:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> On 2018/09/05 10:38 PM, Ian Eure wrote: > On September 5, 2018 10:33:31 PM PDT, Tony Jones via Techtoolslist wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:04 PM, John Robertson >> wrote: >> >>> There is that extra expansion slot which is used for the test card, >> and so I >>> expect one could use it for installing the PAK-68 or an adaption of >> it. >> >> I had the same thought. I'm assuming the test-card (if you ever find >> the instructions) plugs into J4 and some form of cpu accelerator could >> do the same. Sounds like a fun project. I thought I'd read >> (somewhere) that Fluke designed an Ethernet card which was intended to >> plug into J4 but it's a very vague recollection. >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > I remember this thread as well. http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/2015q1/002053.html > > Never heard anything else about it. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > That was proposing a network card for the 9100 - perhaps that could be built using the same idea as the wi-fi mod for the 9010A? John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From tony at tonyjones.com Thu Sep 6 02:10:00 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 23:10:00 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> Message-ID: > That was proposing a network card for the 9100 - perhaps that could be built > using the same idea as the wi-fi mod for the 9010A? Steve was referring to the labeling on the rear panel of the 9100FT, next to the expansion card opening (blocked off). It is marked "10 base 2 [ground symbol] LAN IEEE802.3 10 base 5". His assumption, I believe, was that it was for some kind of networking card. From jrr at flippers.com Thu Sep 6 13:24:06 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:24:06 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> Message-ID: On 2018/09/05 11:10 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >> That was proposing a network card for the 9100 - perhaps that could be built >> using the same idea as the wi-fi mod for the 9010A? > Steve was referring to the labeling on the rear panel of the 9100FT, > next to the expansion card opening (blocked off). It is marked "10 > base 2 [ground symbol] LAN IEEE802.3 10 base 5". His > assumption, I believe, was that it was for some kind of networking > card. > I have a 9100FT here (serial HM040) and it has no text evidence of a missing LAN port on the back or anywhere. I also looked through the list of Fluke accessories (on TTL) and was unable to find any reference to this card. Perhaps it was on the? Fluke Wish List? Of course my FT may be a factory cobbled together machine as the cabinet and front panel look identical to my 9100As and that could explain the missing label referenced elsewhere... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ian at retrospec.tv Thu Sep 6 13:34:47 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 10:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> Message-ID: <931A546F-ADB4-4988-BFE9-02C6279766E8@retrospec.tv> On September 6, 2018 10:24:06 AM PDT, John Robertson wrote: >On 2018/09/05 11:10 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >>> That was proposing a network card for the 9100 - perhaps that could >be built >>> using the same idea as the wi-fi mod for the 9010A? >> Steve was referring to the labeling on the rear panel of the 9100FT, >> next to the expansion card opening (blocked off). It is marked "10 >> base 2 [ground symbol] LAN IEEE802.3 10 base 5". His >> assumption, I believe, was that it was for some kind of networking >> card. >> >I have a 9100FT here (serial HM040) and it has no text evidence of a >missing LAN port on the back or anywhere. I also looked through the >list >of Fluke accessories (on TTL) and was unable to find any reference to >this card. Perhaps it was on the? Fluke Wish List? > >Of course my FT may be a factory cobbled together machine as the >cabinet >and front panel look identical to my 9100As and that could explain the >missing label referenced elsewhere... > >John :-#)# > >-- >How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ My reading was that the labels had been added by someone, and it wasn't screened on the metal. I've examined four 9100s (two A, two FT), and have never seen anything like this. From tony at tonyjones.com Thu Sep 6 14:43:14 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:43:14 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: <931A546F-ADB4-4988-BFE9-02C6279766E8@retrospec.tv> References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> <931A546F-ADB4-4988-BFE9-02C6279766E8@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Ian Eure wrote: > My reading was that the labels had been added by someone, and it wasn't screened on the metal. I've examined four 9100s (two A, two FT), and have never seen anything like this. The screening is present on all 4 of my FTs (2x 9100, 1x 9110, 1x 9105). I don't see similar on any of my three 9100As. There is nothing different about the pinout of J13 (the expansion connector on the FT) vs J4 (same expansion connector on the A) so I assume said card would work on both FT and A assuming of course the card was ever actually released. I have no clue what functionality the OS exposes via the card and I've never seen mention of it in any documentation. Pic: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ygJB7wqiQlIOIlWuXEZq5xxZ7IdXaZAO/view?usp=sharing From ki4swy at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 14:50:31 2018 From: ki4swy at gmail.com (William Stillwell) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> <931A546F-ADB4-4988-BFE9-02C6279766E8@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: Maybe the option was vaporware? maybe they never made it? William Stillwell Board Member - Inspiration labs, Inc. a 501c3 organization Board Member & Co-Founder - Byte Amusement Group // Free Play Florida Arcade & Pinball Show a 501c3 organization On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 2:43 PM Tony Jones wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Ian Eure wrote: > > > My reading was that the labels had been added by someone, and it wasn't > screened on the metal. I've examined four 9100s (two A, two FT), and have > never seen anything like this. > > The screening is present on all 4 of my FTs (2x 9100, 1x 9110, 1x > 9105). I don't see similar on any of my three 9100As. > > There is nothing different about the pinout of J13 (the expansion > connector on the FT) vs J4 (same expansion connector on the A) so I > assume said card would work on both FT and A assuming of course the > card was ever actually released. I have no clue what functionality > the OS exposes via the card and I've never seen mention of it in any > documentation. > > Pic: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ygJB7wqiQlIOIlWuXEZq5xxZ7IdXaZAO/view?usp=sharing > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From tony at tonyjones.com Thu Sep 6 14:54:10 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:54:10 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Souping up the 9100A In-Reply-To: References: <053ff3fb-c515-21fa-68cd-6f3cfcc36cf4@flippers.com> <14bd655c-8fa0-2b4f-7ec3-bb9cab73c011@flippers.com> <42a505f1-4670-ed77-d5d7-c18a0326f2c1@flippers.com> <4AE2D76F-90D6-47CB-865E-8A8829A40179@retrospec.tv> <84536677-6147-b85c-8b51-7e681561c2de@flippers.com> <931A546F-ADB4-4988-BFE9-02C6279766E8@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:50 AM, William Stillwell wrote: > Maybe the option was vaporware? maybe they never made it? That would be covered under the "assuming of course the card was ever actually released" comment ;-) Sure but it's equally possible it just wasn't widely sold. Ethernet was still being adopted when the FT was released. Noone has the documentation or software for the FT test card but it's known to exist. From art at artfromny.com Tue Sep 11 18:54:45 2018 From: art at artfromny.com (Art M.) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 18:54:45 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 006 async tape data on ftp site + help getting self-test to pass In-Reply-To: References: <44b6ffca-7f00-2f7e-3914-e0485a60e90c@flippers.com> <08e8c238-dc55-1eca-dc02-3d72c12ce334@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <019e01d44a22$6ff3f730$4fdbe590$@com> I just sold one - if it is possible to copy the tape and put it in PC readable format I can ask him to do so if that helps ..... -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of Tony Jones Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:04 PM To: John Robertson; Technical Tools Mail List; Matthew Rossiter Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 006 async tape data on ftp site + help getting self-test to pass Matt said: >Anyway - my Async tape has V1.0 on it . Not sure if 764977 is some sort of serial number or what. What does you tape say on it? >DPY-COPYRIGHT 1985 FLUKE REV 1.0 I'm assuming the DPY is contained in the code, not what's written on the tape. My tape has no version on the label. It does have the same 764977 part number. I took some pictures. I cut open the plastic bag and broke the seal on the tape box. It has never been read. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14HKPgfOWiTisYI-jbmf7Mdj9UnJZcF07?usp =sharing I'm happy to loan it out to be read though as I said before, I'm still of the opinion that the instructions are what's wrong and the delay option was eliminated at some point. A non-preliminary copy of the operators manual would resolve this but I'm not sure if anyone has such a thing? On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Tony Jones wrote: > I think it's pretty unlikely that Matt's tape has been overwritten since the > main script doesn't reference program 10 and there is no code that tries to > DPY a prompt to enter the delay data. Matt's tape is supposedly part# > 764977 COPYRIGHT 1985 FLUKE REV 1.0". When I get back home today I'll > check what version my tape is. > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 12:06 PM John Robertson wrote: >> >> I should have at least one more Aysnc tape, but all my readers are >> dead...and I have no time to fix them! If someone has a known good tape >> drive and wants to try reading mine I can mail it (may have a couple >> actually) off. >> >> John :-#)# >> >> On 2018/06/18 11:42 PM, Matthew Rossiter wrote: >> > I believe there is an issue with the Async tape because program 10 is >> > coming up as "Not Found" which happens to be the Delay Setup program >> > needed to do the clock module self test. See PDF page 66 (or >> > workbook page 88) in this workbook >> > >> > . >> > All 20 programs work fine for me except program 10. Does anyone >> > happen to have another copy of the Async tape they can share? >> > Hopefully I'm not the only one that has one. :| >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > >> > On 4/6/2018 4:15 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 4:02 PM John Robertson wrote: >> >> >> >>> or Tony lets us know what actually does work. >> >>> >> >> I was hoping someone else had an idea :-) >> >> >> >> - if I'm misinterpreting the resistor hookup instructions for self test >> >> - has a newer version of manual >> >> - or ...... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Techtoolslist mailing list >> > Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >> >> -- >> How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From matt at rossiters.com Thu Sep 13 21:55:06 2018 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matthew Rossiter) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:55:06 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 006 async tape data on ftp site + help getting self-test to pass In-Reply-To: <019e01d44a22$6ff3f730$4fdbe590$@com> References: <44b6ffca-7f00-2f7e-3914-e0485a60e90c@flippers.com> <08e8c238-dc55-1eca-dc02-3d72c12ce334@rossiters.com> <019e01d44a22$6ff3f730$4fdbe590$@com> Message-ID: <717a6c8e-2f71-5183-7889-84167d40a952@rossiters.com> I was able to upload two different Async Tapes up to my site and I think they got transferred over to ttl.arcadetech.org. You can see two versions here -> http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/Fluke/Fluke%209010a/Scripts/Johns-Jukes/ 9000A-0061_CSG_Test_Tape - Async tape with more options Async.Sig.Opt_764977 I think Tony Jones is working on scanning in the Final Copy of the manual that describes the proper self-test technique for the clock module. Matt On 9/11/2018 3:54 PM, Art M. wrote: > I just sold one - if it is possible to copy the tape and put it in PC > readable format I can ask him to do so if that helps ..... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of > Tony Jones > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 7:04 PM > To: John Robertson; Technical Tools Mail List; Matthew Rossiter > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 006 async tape data on ftp site + help > getting self-test to pass > > Matt said: >> Anyway - my Async tape has V1.0 on it . Not sure if 764977 is some sort > of serial number or what. What does you tape say on it? >> DPY-COPYRIGHT 1985 FLUKE REV 1.0 > I'm assuming the DPY is contained in the code, not what's written on > the tape. My tape has no version on the label. It does have the same > 764977 part number. > > I took some pictures. I cut open the plastic bag and broke the seal > on the tape box. It has never been read. > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14HKPgfOWiTisYI-jbmf7Mdj9UnJZcF07?usp > =sharing > > I'm happy to loan it out to be read though as I said before, I'm still > of the opinion that the instructions are what's wrong and the delay > option was eliminated at some point. A non-preliminary copy of the > operators manual would resolve this but I'm not sure if anyone has > such a thing? > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >> I think it's pretty unlikely that Matt's tape has been overwritten since > the >> main script doesn't reference program 10 and there is no code that tries > to >> DPY a prompt to enter the delay data. Matt's tape is supposedly part# >> 764977 COPYRIGHT 1985 FLUKE REV 1.0". When I get back home today I'll >> check what version my tape is. >> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 12:06 PM John Robertson wrote: >>> I should have at least one more Aysnc tape, but all my readers are >>> dead...and I have no time to fix them! If someone has a known good tape >>> drive and wants to try reading mine I can mail it (may have a couple >>> actually) off. >>> >>> John :-#)# >>> >>> On 2018/06/18 11:42 PM, Matthew Rossiter wrote: >>>> I believe there is an issue with the Async tape because program 10 is >>>> coming up as "Not Found" which happens to be the Delay Setup program >>>> needed to do the clock module self test. See PDF page 66 (or >>>> workbook page 88) in this workbook >>>> >>>> > roublshooting/9010A%20Training/9010A%20Student%20Workbook%20Course%20Notes-8 > 05663.pdf>. >>>> All 20 programs work fine for me except program 10. Does anyone >>>> happen to have another copy of the Async tape they can share? >>>> Hopefully I'm not the only one that has one. :| >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/6/2018 4:15 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018, 4:02 PM John Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> or Tony lets us know what actually does work. >>>>>> >>>>> I was hoping someone else had an idea :-) >>>>> >>>>> - if I'm misinterpreting the resistor hookup instructions for self > test >>>>> - has a newer version of manual >>>>> - or ...... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>>> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >>>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >>> -- >>> How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tony at tonyjones.com Thu Sep 13 22:39:45 2018 From: tony at tonyjones.com (Tony Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:39:45 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 006 async tape data on ftp site + help getting self-test to pass In-Reply-To: <717a6c8e-2f71-5183-7889-84167d40a952@rossiters.com> References: <44b6ffca-7f00-2f7e-3914-e0485a60e90c@flippers.com> <08e8c238-dc55-1eca-dc02-3d72c12ce334@rossiters.com> <019e01d44a22$6ff3f730$4fdbe590$@com> <717a6c8e-2f71-5183-7889-84167d40a952@rossiters.com> Message-ID: > > > I think Tony Jones is working on scanning in the Final Copy of the > manual > Yup. Scanned in already. Have a handful more things to scan and ill email to John. About 20 manuals total. Also have the 9110 Spectrum TX manual set but scanning these will have to be another time (huge). > From ian at retrospec.tv Sat Sep 29 00:22:49 2018 From: ian at retrospec.tv (Ian Eure) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:22:49 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100FT U36 NVRAM archive - YES In-Reply-To: References: <9f11b44d-b887-3c82-ee6e-0fbe62ff2969@flippers.com> <65B6D15F-BE03-4EA5-8EAB-15CBCAA322C6@retrospec.tv> Message-ID: <87tvm9kk4m.fsf@up.earth.atomized.org> John Robertson writes: > > Also, the SCSI2SD Rv5 does not work on the FT, the RV3 does, as > does the > Aztec Monster. Not sure why, RV3 has the same SD card as the RV5 > I > tried, but the 5 just locked up the machine. Worked once or > twice, but > mostly locked up when it gets to the load the operating system. > This was tickling my memory the other day. I have definitely experienced weirdness with the SCSI2SD v5 on FT machines, but not consistently. On one machine, I experienced lockups until I removed the terminating resistors and switched to a three-connector cable with a terminator plugged into the end. I haven?t tried any of the other versions. Another FT machine worked flawlessly with a SCSI2SD right out of the box. Maybe certain revs of the MFA card are sensitive, and/or the terminating resistor packs being towards the top/bottom end of their tolerance makes it flake out. -- Ian From jrr at flippers.com Sun Sep 30 16:11:59 2018 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:11:59 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New Fluke files uploaded. Message-ID: <76078eb2-71ed-0e94-9752-e1529e35b7e6@flippers.com> Thanks to Tony for these new or updated files that I have uploaded to TTL - I hope the structure is clear enough: /Fluke/9XXX Pods /Pods Fluke 9000A-Z80QT Flyer.pdf Fluke 9000A-Z80QT Interface Pod Instruction Manual.pdf Fluke 9000A-Z80QT Quick Reference Card.pdf ---------- /Fluke/9XXX Training and Troublshooting /Fluke Troubleshooter Magazine TroubleshooterV4#3.pdf ------------ /Fluke/9010 Series /9010_Fixture_PDFs 9000A-006 Asynchronous Signature Probe Operation Manual.pdf ----------- /Fluke/9100 Series /9100_Fixture PDFs /Application Note 9100A Production Testing.pdf 9100A Testing a CGA Card with the Vector Output I-O Module.pdf 9100A Testing DMA Circuitry on the IBM PC-AT.pdf 9100A-PM 3655 Developing Test Vectors for a Video Controller Chip.pdf /Case Study Testing Next-Generation Avionics.pdf /Technical Data Sheets 9100A Putting a Software Switch into your GFI Data Base.pdf 9100A Synchronizing IO Module and Probe with INT Mode.pdf 9100A Using Multiple IO Modules For Driving Patterns and Gathering Signatures.pdf 9100FT Series Emulation Selection Guide.pdf 9100FT Series Troubleshooting TestStations.pdf 9110FT Digital Troubleshooter.pdf /9132_Fixture PDFs Fluke 9132A Service Manual.pdf Fluke 9132A-68000 Users Manual.pdf Fluke 9132A-68020 Users Manual.pdf Fluke 9132A-68030 Users Manual.pdf Fluke 9132A-80386 Users Manual.pdf Fluke 9132FT Service Manual.pdf Fluke 9132FT-68020 Users Manual.pdf Fluke 9132FT-68030 Users Manual.pdf ------------- /Fluke/US Prices December 1 1993.pdf ---------------(end)---------- John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist