[game_edu] Ad Hoc committee

[S. Gold]

Since you did not seem to understand from my personal note sent earlier off
list, I will make this clear to the whole list. Please take your gripes
offline and aim them directly to those involved in the decision making
process. This is not a forum for being a bad sport. And just to be clear,
our membership is diverse with some equal and some greater qualifications
and credentials than you. Additionally, this is not a forum to beat ones
chest in bravado.

Also for the record, you were not the first to respond to my request for
volunteers. Inclusion to the committee was not on a first come first serve
basis, decisions were made to create balance and equal representation. Now
this discussion will end and
I beg you to use this list for scholarly discussion, not pettiness.

Sincerely,

Susan

On 3/15/08 11:51 AM, "Tim Langdell" <langdell at gmail.com> wrote:


> No. Apparently its a matter of balance and I am the only person who brings

> experience with all the variations of higher ed establishment and yet I am the

> one you exclude even though I was the first person to repsond to the list

> asking to be part of the committee.

>  

>  

>>  

>> ----- Original Message -----

>>  

>> From:  Brenda Brathwaite <mailto:bbrathwaite2001 at yahoo.com>

>>  

>> To: IGDA Game Education Listserv <mailto:game_edu at igda.org>

>>  

>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:13  AM

>>  

>> Subject: Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc  committee

>>  

>> 

>>  

>> Goodness. Apart from my brief, successful and enjoyable contact with you  at

>> the IGDA edu panel at GDC, I have had no personal or professional contact

>> with you upon which to develop any reasons. Fortunately, in just a couple

>> months, there will be opportunity for everyone to give feedback on the

>> committee's findings.

>>  

>> 

>>  

>> I regret that you are dissapointed to such a degree. As I mentioned in my

>> email, it is not a question of credentials alone.

>>  

>> 

>>  

>> Brenda

>>  

>> 

>> On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:09 AM, "Tim Langdell" <langdell at gmail.com>  wrote:

>> 

>>  

>>  

>>>  

>>>  

>>> I note that Brenda has excluded me from being  on the ad hoc committee,

>>> despite my probably being the person who has taught  longest (over 14

>>> years), taught at both 2-year and 4-year universities and  at trade schools,

>>> and taught in both the US and UK. It could not be more  obvious that you are

>>> exclusing me for personal reasons and this really has  to stop.

>>>  

>>>  

>>>  

>>> Get a life Brenda and Susan, stop excluding  people for personal reasons and

>>> realise that we all have something to  contribute here.

>>>  

>>>  

>>>  

>>> Tim Langdell PhD

>>>  

>>>  

>>>  

>>>>  

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>  

>>>> From:  S. Gold <mailto:goldfile at gmail.com>

>>>>  

>>>> To: IGDA Game Education Listserv <mailto:game_edu at igda.org>

>>>>  

>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:11  AM

>>>>  

>>>> Subject: Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc  committee

>>>>  

>>>> 

>>>> I want to  thank everyone for their time and thoughts regarding the

>>>> development of a  checklist/stamp of approval or whatever we end up calling

>>>> this. I do not  want to be in the accreditation business, but in the

>>>> recommendation and  best practices. The goal of the SIG is to be as

>>>> transparent as possible,  we have no intention of trying to do something

>>>> like this behind anyone's  back. It is my goal to be as inclusive as

>>>> possible in our growth, plans  and development. As our genre grows in

>>>> maturity, we need to prepare and  plan appropriately. A few folks have

>>>> pulled me aside, worried about the  slippery slope this could be, thank you

>>>> and understood. We can not ignore  our responsibility, which is first to

>>>> the students. 

>>>> 

>>>> How we take  these next steps is really up to the membership and the Ad Hoc

>>>> committee.  I have asked Brenda Brathwaite to chair the committee and we

>>>> will be  sending out letters to those that have applied to the committee on

>>>> March  15. We are still in need of representation from community colleges,

>>>> large  liberal arts institutions, international institutions as well as

>>>> what we  consider to be vocational schools. I would like to make sure that

>>>> we have  fair representation in this process. We can only do that if those

>>>> institutions participate, so please apply, all voices are equal in this

>>>> process. The duration of the committee, unless they ask otherwise, is from

>>>> mid-March to June, not a life-time commitment and yes, a great CV item,

>>>> but also a big responsibility.

>>>> 

>>>> I am going to throw a few more email  bombs out before I go offline for a

>>>> chunk of time in the future, what fun  to come home to so many replies,

>>>> lol. Nice to see that everyone is  actually reading my emails.

>>>> 

>>>> Thank you,

>>>> 

>>>> Susan

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> On  3/2/08 8:48 PM, "Roberts, Scott" <sroberts at cti.depaul.edu>  wrote:

>>>> 

>>>>  

>>>>> A good  example of a school already using something like this is FIEA.

>>>>> They have  ³5 Questions to Ask² for parents:

>>>>> http://www.fiea.ucf.edu/shield/showpage.php?page_id=1007

>>>>> <http://www.fiea.ucf.edu/shield/showpage.php?page_id=1007>

>>>>>  

>>>>> The IGDA could create our own list, with variations for  different types

>>>>> of programs, along the lines of what we¹d ask schools  ourselves.  This

>>>>> list could be widely publicized, including the  Career Guide website and

>>>>> magazine, even guidance counselors.   Schools could post the list and how

>>>>> they address each  recommendation.  I imagine that someone would create a

>>>>> website  doing side-by-side comparisons broken down by types of school and

>>>>> program.

>>>>>  

>>>>> 

>>>>> Scott 

>>>>>  

>>>>>  

>>>>> 

>>>>> From: game_edu-bounces at igda.org  [mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org]

>>>>> <mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org>   On Behalf Of Mark Baldwin

>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008  1:58 PM

>>>>> To: 'IGDA Game Education Listserv'

>>>>> Subject:  Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc committee

>>>>> 

>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>  

>>>>> (Note, I¹m on  board ship at the same conference as Susan.  We are sailing

>>>>> off the  coast of Cuba as I write this, and yes the ship has Internet,

>>>>> although  it is expensive.   Just talked to her and she¹s prepping for a

>>>>> presentation on the IGDA framework in a couple of hours).

>>>>>  

>>>>> I  would like to put my two cents here.   I don¹t think the IGDA  has the

>>>>> resources to accomplish accreditation, and there are a number of  big and

>>>>> scary problems associated with such accreditation that have been  brought

>>>>> up by a number of individuals.  But I do like Scott¹s  comments on  the

>>>>> idea of a published checklist that gives the  prospective customer a

>>>>> framework from which to ask questions and make  their own evaluations.

>>>>> This is a much more manageable goal,  and one I believe could be effective

>>>>> yet flexible.  It allows the  prospective student to evaluate the school

>>>>> not based on a fixed criteria  but instead on what the customer is

>>>>> interested in.

>>>>>  

>>>>> I would  encourage looking in that  direction.

>>>>>  

>>>>> Cheers,

>>>>> Mark

>>>>>  

>>>>> ******************************************

>>>>>  Mark  Lewis Baldwin

>>>>> Game Design and Development

>>>>>  University  of Advancing Technology

>>>>>  303-526-9169

>>>>>  mbaldwin at uat.edu <mailto:mbaldwin at uat.edu>

>>>>>  http://baldwinconsulting.org <http://baldwinconsulting.org>

>>>>> <http://baldwinconsulting.org/> <http://baldwinconsulting.org/>

>>>>>  mar80401 (YIM, AIM,  Skype)

>>>>> ******************************************

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>>  

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>>>> 

>>>> --  

>>>> Susan Gold

>>>> goldfile at gmail.com

>>>> 

>>>> ³In a completely sane world, madness is the only  freedom!² - J. G. Ballard

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