[game_edu] Ad Hoc committee

[Tim Langdell]

Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc committeeAnd I ask you to run it fairly.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: S. Gold 
  To: IGDA Game Education Listserv 
  Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc committee


  Since you did not seem to understand from my personal note sent earlier off list, I will make this clear to the whole list. Please take your gripes offline and aim them directly to those involved in the decision making process. This is not a forum for being a bad sport. And just to be clear, our membership is diverse with some equal and some greater qualifications and credentials than you. Additionally, this is not a forum to beat ones chest in bravado.

  Also for the record, you were not the first to respond to my request for volunteers. Inclusion to the committee was not on a first come first serve basis, decisions were made to create balance and equal representation. Now this discussion will end and
  I beg you to use this list for scholarly discussion, not pettiness.

  Sincerely,

  Susan

  On 3/15/08 11:51 AM, "Tim Langdell" <langdell at gmail.com> wrote:


    No. Apparently its a matter of balance and I am the only person who brings experience with all the variations of higher ed establishment and yet I am the one you exclude even though I was the first person to repsond to the list asking to be part of the committee.

     


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      From:  Brenda Brathwaite <mailto:bbrathwaite2001 at yahoo.com>  
       
      To: IGDA Game Education Listserv <mailto:game_edu at igda.org>  
       
      Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:13  AM
       
      Subject: Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc  committee
       

       
      Goodness. Apart from my brief, successful and enjoyable contact with you  at the IGDA edu panel at GDC, I have had no personal or professional contact  with you upon which to develop any reasons. Fortunately, in just a couple  months, there will be opportunity for everyone to give feedback on the  committee's findings.
       

       
      I regret that you are dissapointed to such a degree. As I mentioned in my  email, it is not a question of credentials alone. 
       

       
      Brenda
       

      On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:09 AM, "Tim Langdell" <langdell at gmail.com>  wrote:

       
       


         
        I note that Brenda has excluded me from being  on the ad hoc committee, despite my probably being the person who has taught  longest (over 14 years), taught at both 2-year and 4-year universities and  at trade schools, and taught in both the US and UK. It could not be more  obvious that you are exclusing me for personal reasons and this really has  to stop.

         
         
        Get a life Brenda and Susan, stop excluding  people for personal reasons and realise that we all have something to  contribute here.

         
         
        Tim Langdell PhD

         
         


          ----- Original Message ----- 
           
          From:  S. Gold <mailto:goldfile at gmail.com>   
           
          To: IGDA Game Education Listserv <mailto:game_edu at igda.org>  
           
          Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:11  AM
           
          Subject: Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc  committee
           

          I want to  thank everyone for their time and thoughts regarding the development of a  checklist/stamp of approval or whatever we end up calling this. I do not  want to be in the accreditation business, but in the recommendation and  best practices. The goal of the SIG is to be as transparent as possible,  we have no intention of trying to do something like this behind anyone's  back. It is my goal to be as inclusive as possible in our growth, plans  and development. As our genre grows in maturity, we need to prepare and  plan appropriately. A few folks have pulled me aside, worried about the  slippery slope this could be, thank you and understood. We can not ignore  our responsibility, which is first to the students. 

          How we take  these next steps is really up to the membership and the Ad Hoc committee.  I have asked Brenda Brathwaite to chair the committee and we will be  sending out letters to those that have applied to the committee on March  15. We are still in need of representation from community colleges, large  liberal arts institutions, international institutions as well as what we  consider to be vocational schools. I would like to make sure that we have  fair representation in this process. We can only do that if those  institutions participate, so please apply, all voices are equal in this  process. The duration of the committee, unless they ask otherwise, is from  mid-March to June, not a life-time commitment and yes, a great CV item,  but also a big responsibility.

          I am going to throw a few more email  bombs out before I go offline for a chunk of time in the future, what fun  to come home to so many replies, lol. Nice to see that everyone is  actually reading my emails. 

          Thank you,

          Susan


          On  3/2/08 8:48 PM, "Roberts, Scott" <sroberts at cti.depaul.edu>  wrote:

           

            A good  example of a school already using something like this is FIEA. They have  "5 Questions to Ask" for parents:
            http://www.fiea.ucf.edu/shield/showpage.php?page_id=1007 <http://www.fiea.ucf.edu/shield/showpage.php?page_id=1007>   
             
            The IGDA could create our own list, with variations for  different types of programs, along the lines of what we'd ask schools  ourselves.  This list could be widely publicized, including the  Career Guide website and magazine, even guidance counselors.   Schools could post the list and how they address each  recommendation.  I imagine that someone would create a website  doing side-by-side comparisons broken down by types of school and  program.
             

            Scott 
             
             

            From: game_edu-bounces at igda.org  [mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org] <mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org>   On Behalf Of Mark Baldwin
            Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008  1:58 PM
            To: 'IGDA Game Education Listserv'
            Subject:  Re: [game_edu] Ad Hoc committee

            Hi,
             
            (Note, I'm on  board ship at the same conference as Susan.  We are sailing off the  coast of Cuba as I write this, and yes the ship has Internet, although  it is expensive.   Just talked to her and she's prepping for a  presentation on the IGDA framework in a couple of hours).
             
            I  would like to put my two cents here.   I don't think the IGDA  has the resources to accomplish accreditation, and there are a number of  big and scary problems associated with such accreditation that have been  brought up by a number of individuals.  But I do like Scott's  comments on  the idea of a published checklist that gives the  prospective customer a framework from which to ask questions and make  their own evaluations.   This is a much more manageable goal,  and one I believe could be effective yet flexible.  It allows the  prospective student to evaluate the school not based on a fixed criteria  but instead on what the customer is interested in.
             
            I would  encourage looking in that  direction.
             
            Cheers,
            Mark
             
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