[game_edu] Brenda Braithwaite's game_edu rant at GDC

[jparker]

'Good', yes. But there are inferences in what you are saying that I'd 
like to clarify.

You are describing the process as a solo one. I think that's not usual, 
and the role of the designer in the development team is not one that 
involves programming (at least not necessarily). Programming is not a 
big part of the design phase at all IMO, and only once one has a clear 
design concept can you really build anything, then iterate it. Assuming 
that the designer holds the game in their hands until it solidifies into 
a playable is not something I personally would do.

JP

On 3/3/2011 11:10 AM, Seth Sivak wrote:

> I think it is good for designers to be able to code.  They do not need 

> to be "engineers" but be able to code enough to prototype their own 

> designs.  As soon as you add in another person the iteration loop gets 

> much longer, and the longer the loop the fewer iterations that can be 

> completed.  Once the game is out of the design phase and more into 

> production the game design role becomes more about problem solving 

> than pure creativity, so at that point it is fine to no longer code 

> and let pure engineers create the production level stuff.

>

> Seth

>

> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, jparker <jparker at ucalgary.ca 

> <mailto:jparker at ucalgary.ca>> wrote:

>

>     Interesting rant, and she certainly has credentials.

>

>     Still, I don't think that game designers are necessarily excellent

>     programmers. They need to understand limits and possibilities, and

>     to be able to communicate well with programmers. Game design is

>     not a programming task, and game development is not a software

>     business. It's a business that does involve software to be sure.

>     Computer science programs (in my observation over only the past 12

>     years) produce relatively poor game designers, as their focus is

>     rather different than that of most design fields. It makes as much

>     sense that a CS major could design a good chair or house as design

>     a good game. And in fact, the game programmers on a team

>     traditionally have relatively little input to the creative process

>     (again, there are certainly exceptions, and things are changing in

>     some places).

>

>     If a game designer has a vast knowledge of programming that could

>     be a good thing. I don't believe it to be a requirement. Thus the

>     question is 'is it worth the time needed to become an excellent

>     programmer'? That's hard to answer with authority.

>

>     Jim

>

>

>     On 3/3/2011 8:38 AM, Peter Border wrote:

>

>         For anybody else who's stuck at home this week.

>

>         http://bbrathwaite.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/built-on-a-foundation-of-code-game-edu-rant/

>

>         Peter Border

>         Game and Application Design Chairman

>         Globe University/Minnesota School of Business

>         1401 West 76th St

>         Richfield, MN 55423

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Faculty of Fine Arts                 jparker@ ucalgary.ca
University of Calgary                403-220-6784      AB606/AB611

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