[SBE] Copper theft law in Missouri

[Ralph Beaver]

Our local charter (Tampa) just had an excellent meeting on this 
topic.  It was loaded with information which erased much 
speculation.  We need to see about making this available to all 
chapter meetings.

Beaver


At 03:23 PM 5/22/2008, you wrote:

>Personally, I feel it's the scrap yards fault that this has lingered on as

>long as it has. I feel there should be harder penalties against business

>that know full well that this was something other than a typical "get rid of

>junk" type drop off. Read this article and tell me why the scrap yards that

>accepted these aren't permanently shut down.

>

>http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/other/1110//05-13-2008/20080513060506_1

>8.html

>

>

>

>Bill Whitt

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Bill

>Burckhard

>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:43 AM

>To: 'sbe member discussion mail list'

>Subject: Re: [SBE] Copper theft law in Missouri

>

>Up in this part of the country, Those pipes have to be kept below the frost

>line!

>

>William R Burckhard

>445 South 24th Street West

>Billings, MT. 59102

>(406)652-4743

>billb at khmt.com

>www.yourbigsky.com

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Chris

>Spacone

>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:14 AM

>To: 'sbe member discussion mail list'

>Subject: Re: [SBE] Copper theft law in Missouri

>

>

>Good question and it deserves a good answer. I suppose mains are a dozen or

>more feet down depending on the terrain and the entrance facilities to the

>building. I didn't make it clear: they didn't dig up the line. The section

>comes out of the street and runs along the side of the building for several

>feet then goes into the building proper.

>

>Sorry if I left you with the impression that they dug up the street. It

>wasn't that dramatic, just in full view of passers by.

>

>-Chris

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Richard

>Hardy

>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:03 AM

>To: sbe member discussion mail list

>Subject: Re: [SBE] Copper theft law in Missouri

>

>Chris: I know you don't have freezing issues so how deep are water lines

>buried in LA?  Here in Tulsa they would have to dig at least three feet

>since we have a freeze line. Richard

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: "Chris Spacone"

>   To: "'sbe member discussion mail list'"

>   Subject: Re: [SBE] Copper theft law in Missouri

>   Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 06:38:49 -0700

>

>

>   We got hit this weekend.

>

>   We aren't a station, but an origination facility near LAX. Somebody

>   turned

>   off the water coming from the street and cut out a large section of

>   (I'm

>   guessing here) 3 inch copper pipe! The workers in the building came

>   in for

>   their normal shift in the morning and discovered that there wasn't

>   any water

>   in the bathrooms or kitchen. We called a plumber who found the

>   problem right

>   away. Pretty ballsy thief(s) as the facility is on a heavily traveled

>   street, near a major hotel, towing company and dog kennel!

>

>   !

>

>   Chris

>

>   -----Original Message-----

>   From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of

>   chscherer at everestkc.net

>   Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:24 PM

>   To: sbe member discussion mail list

>   Subject: Re: [SBE] Copper theft law in Missouri

>

>   I agree with you. A law alone is not the final solution. From what I

>   hear

>   from the Missouri side (I live in Kansas), this step appears to have

>   the

>   legs to make some changes. I'm hopeful it does. Personally, I think

>   the

>   fines should be higher. The material payment vs. the potential

>   penalty is

>   not a significant difference. But please note that I'm not trying to

>   punch

>   holes in the effort either.

>

>   I am curious if other states have taken similar steps. Also, what are

>   the

>   penalties? Has it had any effect on the problem?

>

>   Chriss

>

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: Bill Harris

>

>   > It's a start...but if there are no 'teeth' in the

>   > law, perhaps not enough.

>

>   > -----Original Message-----

>   > chscherer at everestkc.net

>   > Some in Missouri say that this legislation is not strong enough

>   > to solve the problem, but even they agree it's a start.

>   > Chriss

>   >

>   > >From

>

>http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/05/21/law-copper-thefts-tight

>   ened/

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