[SBE] AM Monitor points

[Benedict, Raymond C]

There are not any monitor points on the WBZ license because there are not
any monitor points.

There are a lot of stations that do not have monitor points.  Look at the
licenses with file numbers with the prefix BMML

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>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:14:42 -0400

>From: Brew <brew at theMode.com>

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>Ray says:

>

>> Its simple. Look at the station license.

>

>Ah, yes.

>

>I see it says:

>

>Unlimited Directional Antenna:

>

>above the antenna coordinates.

>

>But maybe that refers to Day versus Night hours...... I'll have to

>find a DA with no power or pattern change to compare against.

>

>But most important for our purposes, there are no monitor points

>listed for WBZ as there are for other Directionals.

>

>That possibility was mentioned on last weeks net.  I cheated though, I

>talked with John Byre here at CBS Monday who told me there were indeed

>no monitor points for this two tower DA.

>

>But you are right - the license tells all.

>

>brew  Bruce Schiller at CBS-TV NY Master Control Maintenance and WA2ZST

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>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:22:44 -0700

>From: "Clay Freinwald" <k7cr at blarg.net>

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>Here is another one to play with -

>

>KWSU, Licensed to Washington State University (My employer)

>

>http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=WA&call=KWSU&arn=&city=&freq=5

>30

>&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&class=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dlo

>n2

>=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

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>Station operates with 5kw Day and Night - But with different parameters.

>

>Not all things are the same.

>

>Clay Freinwald

>

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>Ray says:

>

>> Its simple. Look at the station license.

>

>Ah, yes.

>

>I see it says:

>

>Unlimited Directional Antenna:

>

>above the antenna coordinates.

>

>But maybe that refers to Day versus Night hours...... I'll have to find a

>DA

>with no power or pattern change to compare against.

>

>But most important for our purposes, there are no monitor points listed

>for

>WBZ as there are for other Directionals.

>

>That possibility was mentioned on last weeks net.  I cheated though, I

>talked with John Byre here at CBS Monday who told me there were indeed no

>monitor points for this two tower DA.

>

>But you are right - the license tells all.

>

>brew  Bruce Schiller at CBS-TV NY Master Control Maintenance and WA2ZST

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>Message: 4

>Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:35:30 -0400

>From: Tom Bosscher <tom at bosscher.org>

>Subject: [SBE] About WBZ

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>Ray,

>

>     What this is all about is last week on the net, we were talking

>about directional AM's. We all know that WSUN in Florida was the first

>station to be licensed by the FCC as a DA. But WBZ, wisely, saw no

>reason to have half their RF signal over the ocean. So they have this

>simple two tower array that I think was designed in the 20's. Today, it

>is indeed licensed as a DA, but my guess is that sometime in the past,

>the FCC just simply gave them that designation.

>     The license does show phase angle and power ratio for the second

>tower, and CBS had to get the license modified for a new phase.monitor.

>But, do they have monitor points? Again, they were licensed to increase

>their main lobe towards the population base. And why would you need

>monitor points to the east, were there is no land for 3,000 miles?

>      I was the one on the net who brought the up the question as to

>whether or not WBZ had monitor points. And a second to it, was, why

>didn't NBC, and CBS do the same thing in the 20's and 30's to the New

>York 50 KW's? I'd rather have 100 kw towards land than 50 KW.

>

>     Anyway, tonight at 8pm Eastern, on IRLP reflector 9615 and Echolink

>reflector 96150.

>

>     tom bosscher K8TB

>

>

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>Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:41:08 -0400

>From: Tom Bosscher <tom at bosscher.org>

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>OK Clay, this has me puzzled. It's the same tower, day and night, omni.

>It shows the same power day and night, but the night shows a lower RMS

>Theoritical. Is this left over from the days of having power dissipating

>resistors in line, but called the power the same? With the tower at 219

>degrees, it has gain, so that is what I am looking at.

>

>     Then again, we have a station here in Grand Rapids, that is omni,

>day and night, and increases power at night. Figure out that one.

>

>tom bosscher

>

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>On 8/7/2011 4:22 PM, Clay Freinwald wrote:

>> Here is another one to play with -

>>

>> KWSU, Licensed to Washington State University (My employer)

>>

>>

>>http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=WA&call=KWSU&arn=&city=&freq=

>>530

>>

>>&fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&class=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N&dl

>>on2

>> =&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

>>

>> Station operates with 5kw Day and Night - But with different parameters.

>>

>> Not all things are the same.

>>

>

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>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:59:50 -0700

>From: "Clay Freinwald" <k7cr at blarg.net>

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>Hi Tom -

>

>I let everyone puzzle over this for a while -

>

>As for higher power at night - We had a station in Vancouver, Wa. that was

>that way.

>

>I have a station I take care of that's got it's own unusual item.  It's

>Day

>power is 27.5 Kw

>Yes, 27- POINT FIVE

>

>Clay

>

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>Bosscher

>Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 1:41 PM

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>OK Clay, this has me puzzled. It's the same tower, day and night, omni.

>It shows the same power day and night, but the night shows a lower RMS

>Theoritical. Is this left over from the days of having power dissipating

>resistors in line, but called the power the same? With the tower at 219

>degrees, it has gain, so that is what I am looking at.

>

>     Then again, we have a station here in Grand Rapids, that is omni, day

>and night, and increases power at night. Figure out that one.

>

>tom bosscher

>

>

>On 8/7/2011 4:22 PM, Clay Freinwald wrote:

>> Here is another one to play with -

>>

>> KWSU, Licensed to Washington State University (My employer)

>>

>> http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?state=WA&call=KWSU&arn=&city=&fr

>> eq=530

>> &fre2=1700&type=0&facid=&class=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&NS=N

>> &dlon2

>> =&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

>>

>> Station operates with 5kw Day and Night - But with different parameters.

>>

>> Not all things are the same.

>>

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>Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:04:16 -0400

>From: Kent Winrich <kwinrich at gmail.com>

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>Doesnt WWL in NOLA do the same thing?

>

>Kent, K9EZ

>On Aug 7, 2011 3:14 PM, "Brew" <brew at themode.com> wrote:

>> Ray says:

>>

>>> Its simple. Look at the station license.

>>

>> Ah, yes.

>>

>> I see it says:

>>

>> Unlimited Directional Antenna:

>>

>> above the antenna coordinates.

>>

>> But maybe that refers to Day versus Night hours...... I'll have to

>> find a DA with no power or pattern change to compare against.

>>

>> But most important for our purposes, there are no monitor points

>> listed for WBZ as there are for other Directionals.

>>

>> That possibility was mentioned on last weeks net. I cheated though, I

>> talked with John Byre here at CBS Monday who told me there were indeed

>> no monitor points for this two tower DA.

>>

>> But you are right - the license tells all.

>>

>> brew Bruce Schiller at CBS-TV NY Master Control Maintenance and WA2ZST

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>Doesnt WWL in NOLA do the same thing?

>

>Kent, K9EZ

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>On Aug 7, 2011 3:14 PM, "Brew" <brew at themode.com> wrote:

>> Ray says:

>>

>>> Its simple. Look at the station license.

>>

>> Ah, yes.

>>

>> I see it says:

>>

>> Unlimited Directional Antenna:

>>

>> above the antenna coordinates.

>>

>> But maybe that refers to Day versus Night hours...... I'll have to

>> find a DA with no power or pattern change to compare against.

>>

>> But most important for our purposes, there are no monitor points

>> listed for WBZ as there are for other Directionals.

>>

>> That possibility was mentioned on last weeks net. I cheated though, I

>> talked with John Byre here at CBS Monday who told me there were indeed

>> no monitor points for this two tower DA.

>>

>> But you are right - the license tells all.

>>

>> brew Bruce Schiller at CBS-TV NY Master Control Maintenance and WA2ZST

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>From: "Henry's dogs and cats" <a9xw at cs.com>

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>NBC NYC originally used a horizontal wire antenna, insulators were

>still on the [then] RCA building at 30 Rock when I workled there. So if

>nothing else, it would have the directionality of a dipole.   Ships at

>sea in the 20's relied on distant MW stations for DF navigatrion and

>weather informatrion, so I would guess,  the famous sign on  "good

>evening ladies and gentlemen and all the ships at sea" was true, all

>the ships at sea that could receive the signals.

>

>Henry Ruhwiedel

>

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>From: Tom Bosscher <tom at bosscher.org>

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>Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 3:35 pm

>Subject: [SBE] About WBZ

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>

>Ray,

>

>     What this is all about is last week on the net, we were talking

>about directional AM's. We all know that WSUN in Florida was the first

>station to be licensed by the FCC as a DA. But WBZ, wisely, saw no

>reason to have half their RF signal over the ocean. So they have this

>simple two tower array that I think was designed in the 20's. Today, it

>is indeed licensed as a DA, but my guess is that sometime in the past,

>the FCC just simply gave them that designation.

>     The license does show phase angle and power ratio for the second

>tower, and CBS had to get the license modified for a new phase.monitor.

>But, do they have monitor points? Again, they were licensed to increase

>their main lobe towards the population base. And why would you need

>monitor points to the east, were there is no land for 3,000 miles?

>      I was the one on the net who brought the up the question as to

>whether or not WBZ had monitor points. And a second to it, was, why

>didn't NBC, and CBS do the same thing in the 20's and 30's to the New

>York 50 KW's? I'd rather have 100 kw towards land than 50 KW.

>

>      Anyway, tonight at 8pm Eastern, on IRLP reflector 9615 and

>Echolink

>reflector 96150.

>

>     tom bosscher K8TB

>

>

>

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