[SBE] OTA digital TV interference

Bob Reite br at telcen.com
Mon Mar 16 16:58:44 EDT 2015


Back in the analog days, I had to put up with ghosts and a bit of snow, 
I was not about to pay for cable TV, since the only time I watch TV is 
for a flood emergency or similar event.  So when the digital conversion 
came, I bought a converter box.

My OTA digital reception is perfect with the set top converter box into 
the old NTSC TV receiver.


On 3/16/15 4:03 PM, David Baker wrote:
> I'm going to try stepping up the quality of the antenna.  Mine is one of
> the supposedly better flat panel antennas pointed at the city, which has
> more of a directional pickup pattern
> than the kinds you buy in the $30 range, but I don't understand the
> other claims about what makes these antennas "better" than any other
> flat panel.  I've always had lousy luck with these
> antennas, even a bit farther from the city where trains and multipath
> would be less of an issue.  They weren't any better than rabbit ears.
>
> If it's radiation from the trains, I think I'm out of luck.  Which is
> too bad because I prefer the quality of OTA signals and only watch a few
> channels when I have time.  My TV is 2 years old, so not so old.
> I wanted to bring this up because it seems like a major unintended
> consequence of DTV, and an additional problem besides multipath for
> broadcasters.
> My landlord suggested to just get cable, and never heard of the problem,
> probably because the majority of tenants have cable anyway.  OTA, to me,
> should always be an option.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Henry Seiden <info at techworkspro.com
> <mailto:info at techworkspro.com>> wrote:
>
>     FWIW, when I lived in So FL I had a condition in my immediate
>     vicinity (not trains or moving object, however) that totally blocked
>     in the main direction a specific set (VHF 7-10) of frequencies
>     within 13 air miles from the antenna farm. The reception was so full
>     of ghosts that the TV set could not discern an image on DTV. UHF
>     lower band stations from the same general direction worked fine.
>     Then, as if by magic, replacing the old set with a newer one (with
>     apparently better decoding algorithms) made a huge difference and
>     resulted in completely viewable pictures.
>
>     So don’t overlook the age and kinds of decoding on your TV
>     receiver(s). I did my homework and witnessed the huge 2ᴺᴰ, 3ᴿᴰ order
>     reflections in the received digital signal. Frankly don’t know how
>     the receiver could ever have worked, but it did! Then I got cable…
>
>     Henry
>     --
>     Henry M. Seiden
>     info<at>techworkspro<dot>com
>     http://techworkspro.com
>
>>     On Mar 16, 2015, at 13:58, Jonathan Solomon
>>     <jon at thesolomonhouse.com <mailto:jon at thesolomonhouse.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Maybe a Yagi on the opposite side of the building from the train?
>>     An MATV antenna may work (for all tenants).  There should be some
>>     laws to make the landlord allow an antenna.
>>
>>     On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:53 PM, David Baker
>>     <dbaker at addison-il.org <mailto:dbaker at addison-il.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         It's becoming apparent from the responses that whether the
>>         problem is reflections or EMI, getting the antenna as far from
>>         the train as possible is my best solution.
>>         Unfortunately, I've tried moving the antenna to all available
>>         points in the building with no luck so I've run out of options
>>         there.  Also, the landlord has strict rules as to where
>>         an antenna can go.  Probably the only option left is cable
>>         TV.  It makes sense that bits are corrupt at the antenna
>>         already and can't get them back, but trying better
>>         coax wouldn't hurt.  It is a pretty long run now - about 30 feet.
>>
>>         Thanks again to everyone who responded.
>>
>>         On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Jonathan Solomon
>>         <jon at thesolomonhouse.com <mailto:jon at thesolomonhouse.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             I've done many a shows parked on the streets of NYC.  Back
>>             in the days of tube monitors, you could always tell when a
>>             train was passing underneath as the tube went haywire.
>>             Obviously, the bigger or better (high res) monitor, the
>>             worse the problem.  It was only when trains went by, so
>>             I'm guessing an EMI (Strong magnetic pull).
>>
>>             As to the antenna question, what about a very directional
>>             yagi?
>>
>>             On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Dan Slentz via SBE
>>             <sbe at sbe.org <mailto:sbe at sbe.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                 I remember reading something about the subway trains
>>                 in NYC having a major power interface that caused all
>>                 sorts of EMI issues.   Wonder if potentially (pun) a
>>                 metro type train (large power station centrally
>>                 located) or even a traditional train (basically giant
>>                 generator which powers the train since ALL trains,
>>                 less steam locomotives, are actually electrical) are
>>                 producing the interference through electrical noise
>>                 (thinking this is more electrical interference than
>>                 "train reflection".
>>
>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                 *From:* David Baker <dbaker at addison-il.org
>>                 <mailto:dbaker at addison-il.org>>
>>                 *To:* sbe member discussion mail list <sbe at sbe.org
>>                 <mailto:sbe at sbe.org>>
>>                 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2015 10:30 AM
>>                 *Subject:* [SBE] OTA digital TV interference
>>
>>                 Good morning!
>>
>>                 I'm wondering if any TV station engineers are
>>                 addressing the problem of OTA digital TV interference
>>                 and loss near trains, or if a solution can be
>>                 recommended for this problem.  For apartment buildings
>>                 especially where antenna height is not an option, if
>>                 that would fix the problem at all.  Can a filter be
>>                 installed between antenna and TV that would help to
>>                 remove what I think is EMI coming from the trains?
>>
>>                 Thanks for any suggestions!
>>
>>                 --
>>                 Thank you,
>>
>>                 David Baker, CBTE
>>                 <http://www.sbe.org/sections/descriptions.php#CBTE_CBRE>,
>>                 CBNT <http://www.sbe.org/sections/descriptions.php#CBNT>
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>>                 Community Relations Dept.
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>>         Thank you,
>>
>>         David Baker, CBTE
>>         <http://www.sbe.org/sections/descriptions.php#CBTE_CBRE>, CBNT
>>         <http://www.sbe.org/sections/descriptions.php#CBNT>
>>         Media Production Coordinator
>>         Community Relations Dept.
>>         Village of Addison
>>         office: 630-693-7554 <tel:630-693-7554>
>>         cell: 708-935-7829 <tel:708-935-7829>
>>         www.addisonadvantage.org <http://www.addisonadvantage.org/>
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> David Baker, CBTE
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> Community Relations Dept.
> Village of Addison
> office: 630-693-7554
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> www.addisonadvantage.org <http://www.addisonadvantage.org>
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