[game_edu] Where to post academic job offers?

[S. Gold]

Why do you think all game design positions reside in a computer science
department? It is that silo approach to our genre that upsets me most in
this discussion. How can you be surprised that a lot of game design
instructors don't have experience? I just came back from a conference trying
to help computer science professors add games into their curriculum to help
increase low student numbers in CS. There are not that many instructors that
actually have design/industry experience. We all try very hard to come to
games in whatever way we can, they are all valid in my opinion as long as
there is a passion for games and a willing to learn.

Susan


On 3/19/08 7:40 PM, "Erin Hoffman" <erin.n.hoffman at gmail.com> wrote:


> I think the confusion was in that from what Sean was saying, the position is

> being called game design but is an artist/animator position ("a term

> assistant professorship in computer game design.  It's an artist/animator/etc.

> position."). There is no question that a variety of training can produce a

> game designer, but I don't think animation/artist experience qualifies one to

> *teach* game design, which is certainly happening in some places (though I

> would be surprised to see it at a place like George Mason). But then I'm very

> surprised at the number of game design instructors I've found to have no game

> design experience at all. Like Mark I was curious what they're looking for,

> and it might be helpful to the committee to clarify either the title of the

> position (game art if it is game art, etc) or the expertise they're seeking.

> 

> --Erin

> 

> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Roberts, Scott <sroberts at cti.depaul.edu>

> wrote:

>> We should be careful in limiting people due to categories.  It isn't as if

>> the skills of artists/designers (creative problem solving) preclude someone

>> from being a game designer.  What's important is that the teacher should have

>> experience in game design, but game designers can come from any background,

>> and they do. 

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>> The obvious example is Miyamoto.

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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto#Early_life

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>> I spend a good amount of my time convincing game programmers that they can do

>> visual design, so anything's possible. J

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>> Scott

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>> From: game_edu-bounces at igda.org [mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf

>> Of Erin Hoffman

>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:47 PM

>> To: IGDA Game Education Listserv

>> Subject: Re: [game_edu] Where to post academic job offers?

>> 

>>  

>> 

>> I had the same question, Mark. I've even seen "game design" taught by

>> "graphic designers" in some places, which is pretty appalling.

>> 

>> --Erin

>> 

>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Mark Baldwin <mark at baldwinconsulting.org>

>> wrote:

>> 

>> Going off on a tangent here, but no one else has asked this, and I'm

>> curious.  You stated you were looking for a professor of game design, but it

>> was it is an artist/animator position.  This seems contradictory to me.

>> While art skills are valuable to the game designer, they certainly are not

>> required, and game design really uses other creative skills much more

>> extensively.  Game design is generally not an artistic skill.  From my

>> experience (25 years in industry as a designer), at least 80% of all game

>> designers do not have any real experience as artist or animators.   Does

>> anyone have a contradictory experience?

>> 

>> Cheers,

>> Mark

>> 

>> ******************************************

>>  Mark Lewis Baldwin

>>  Associate Professor

>>  Game Design and Development

>>  University of Advancing Technology

>>  303-526-9169

>>  mbaldwin at uat.edu

>>  http://baldwinconsulting.org

>>  mar80401 (YIM, AIM, Skype)

>> ******************************************

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>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: game_edu-bounces at igda.org [mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf

>> Of Sean Luke

>> 

>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:20 PM

>> To: game_edu at igda.org

>> 

>> Subject: [game_edu] Where to post academic job offers?

>> 

>> GMU's college of visual and performing arts is soliciting for a term

>> assistant professorship in computer game design.  It's an artist/

>> animator/etc. position.  I am affiliated with the solicitation

>> committee, but as a computer science professor rather than an artist,

>> I personally was wondering where the best venues would be to solicit

>> an artist in this slot.  In the CS world there are standard locations

>> for placing ads for professorships.  Any guidance on the artist side

>> of things for a budding program?

>> 

>> Sean Luke

>> Department of Computer Science

>> George Mason University

>> 

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