[game_edu] game_edu Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5

[Jim Parker]

Oh-oh. You've done it now! :-)

Jim

Mark Baldwin wrote:

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> Ian is correct. I would also like to note that you seemed to equate 

> ‘game’ with ‘simulation’ as being redundant. I would suggest that they 

> are not. While it can be argued that all electronic games (especially 

> serious games) are simulations, the reverse is not true. All 

> simulations are not games. In this context, game implies both 

> interactivity and possibly goal orientation that is not characteristic 

> to simulations in general.

>

> Mark

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> *From:* game_edu-bounces at igda.org [mailto:game_edu-bounces at igda.org] 

> *On Behalf Of *Ian Schreiber

> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:06 AM

> *To:* IGDA Game Education Listserv

> *Subject:* Re: [game_edu] game_edu Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5

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> "Serious games" is already a term in common use in the field. I think 

> it was coined by Ben Sawyer, meant to describe the use of games in a 

> context that is primarily productive in nature (as opposed to 

> primarily for entertainment).

>

> In this context, a sporting event is not a "serious game"... no matter 

> how much it means to you personally ;-)

>

> Is there a reason you find this particular term redundant or 

> unnecessary, or am I just totally failing to understand your point?

>

> - Ian

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> --- On *Tue, 1/13/09, J. Klabbers /<jklabbers at kmpc.nl>/* wrote:

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>     From: J. Klabbers <jklabbers at kmpc.nl>

>     Subject: Re: [game_edu] game_edu Digest, Vol 51, Issue 5

>     To: game_edu at igda.org

>     Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 5:32 AM

>

>     See Item 1: PhD position in Serious Gaming (S. Gold)

>

>     A matter of terminology in professional communication.

>

>     In the announcement below the following phrasing is curious: "The

>     Department of Industrial Design at the Eindhoven University of

>     Technology has an opportunity you can take to join a team for

>     development of serious games for medical simulation, with a focus

>     on birth delivery".

>

>     Suppose we would agree that the forthcoming match between

>     Manchester United and Liverpool is a serious game. For the sake of

>     clear professional communication, wouldn't be more suitable to

>     rephrase the line, reading: "The Department of Industrial Design

>     at the Eindhoven University of Technology has an opportunity you

>     can take to join a team for development of medical simulation,

>     with a focus on birth delivery".

>

>     That would make the term "serious game" as redundant as it is in

>     this context, or am I missing something special?

>

>     I am looking forward to the day that we may receive an advert for

>     a PhD position in Non-Serious Gaming, whatever that would mean.

>

>     J. Klabbers

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>     jklabbers at kmpc.nl <mailto:jklabbers at kmpc.nl>

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