[SBE] Standards (formerly 1984)

[Albert Muick]

Barry,

I trust this is not going to turn into a game of who gets the last word.

Do you presume to speak for everyone or are you using the royal "We?," as
that has certainly peaked my interest.  There is no need to apologize to me.
It was a holiday, the list was dead, and nothing of value was lost.  No
harm, no foul.

As I have just returned from 32 months overseas with the UN where there are
no chapters, you will not find that I have had the opportunity to
participate except for the few postings here.  Aside from that, having to
train local national and putting out political and technical fires spent my
energies to the point where all I wanted to do was go to bed when I got
home.

I would suggest you and I turn our energies to more productive efforts.

Al Muick, CBRE

-----Original Message-----
From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Barry
Thomas, CPBE CBNT
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:06 PM
To: SBE Member Discussion List
Subject: Re: [SBE] Standards (formerly 1984)

Albert. 

We can tell you are angry.  I am sorry you have taken offense to our list
objectives.  I truly hope your passion for the Society is reflected in your
active chapter participation (I don't have the chapter rosters handy to
verify this) or that you have interest in promoting your perspectives at the
national level in the near future either by running for national office or
attending and participating in our regular, open board meetings.  We need
passionate, committed individuals to lead our group efforts. 

You are correct that sidebars during chapter meetings are not uncommon. The
SBE Chat list is exactly that. A way to collect a group of interested
individuals to discuss a topic outside the scope of the meeting in such a
way that the greater group is not disrupted. 

Our moderator, Chriss Scherer, has been charged with the responsibility of
moderating this online meeting and diverting potential sidebars to the
appropriate venue. Since the Roundtable list objective is stated at sign-up
and has been expressed a number of times here, diversion of topics outside
the scope of the list should not be unexpected.  He has continued to perform
this important task in spite of occasional chastisement from a vocal few
subscribers. I hope that he will continue to the benefit of all subscribers.


Thanks for your participation and long membership.  

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Albert Muick" <radioresearch_field_operations at yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 01:24:19 
To: <barryt at sbe.org>; 'sbe member discussion mail list'<sbe at sbe.org>
Subject: RE: [SBE] Standards (formerly 1984)


Barry,

Unilaterally applying a "filter rule," without any warning, goes a little
beyond the pale.

Since you consider this an ongoing 24-hour chapter meeting, perhaps you
might care to remember all the sidebars that regularly occur at chapter
meetings.  This is one meeting that cannot be governed by Robert's Rules of
Order.

The last time I checked, the membership decided what went or didn't go here,
and not one person.  Perhaps we should use a little of the 60+ dollars we
spend every year and mail out ballots for the membership to decide what can
or cannot be said or discussed on the roundtable.

You don't have enough users of this roundtable to worry about replication or
supplication.  Justifying censorship or unilateral action with those ideas
just fails, my friend.

This is/was the 4th of July.  I've been a dues-paying member since 1989.
You will not tell me what I can say about our Independence Day, nor will you
dictate to anyone else.  I also don't believe I've seen too many posts from
you in the last few months that I've really been paying attention.

I will repeat my quote from John Adams so you shan't be able to say you
didn't learn anything from my post:

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the
people... Be not intimidated, therefore, by any terrors, from
publishing with the utmost freedom...nor suffer yourselves to be
wheedled out of your liberty by any pretenses of politeness,
delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three
different names for hypocrisy, chicanery, and cowardice."
 - John Adams

Al Muick, CBRE

-----Original Message-----
From: sbe-bounces at sbe.org [mailto:sbe-bounces at sbe.org] On Behalf Of Barry
Thomas, CPBE CBNT
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:57 PM
To: SBE Member Discussion List
Subject: [SBE] Standards (formerly 1984)

Before we rag anymore on Chriss:

I see a real irony in that we've just been having a great discussion about
the Society developing a RBP compendium, however as soon as a standard is
invoked, as Chriss did by moderating the list, we get flamed for being
restrictive. 

The purpose of this list is outlined at the subscription point of the SBE
web site. I like to consider this an ongoing, 24-hour, chapter meeting.
Discussions of hobbies, events in history, or casting aspersions on a fellow
engineer's role in serving our country would not (should not) occur during
an SBE meeting. It should not happen here. 

Chriss has needed to repeat this guideline several times recently.

Before and after regular chapter meetings (like those at chapter 5 here in
Atlanta) there exists the fellowship which many of us crave. This is where
the myriad of other interests we share are frequently discussed. As a result
of your comments we've created an online version of this "fellowship
opportunity" on the SBE Chat list. 

There are, of course, many opportunities online for social interaction
between broadcast technical personnel:  Barry's lists, Yahoo, Facebook, and
Linkedin Groups,  Ham radio nets, etc.
  
The Roundtable does not seek to supplant those opportunities and, as a
result is deliberately managed so it won't replicate them.

Please do not be insulted when our moderator suggests a topic be moved to
the chat area. Understand that he is simply helping this "business" list
remain on-point and relevant. This helps keep the roundtable an effective
resource for the many members who subscribe.

Thank you. 

Barry Thomas, CPBE CBNT
President
Society of Broadcast Engineers, Inc. 
 


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